has any one put them on their quads yet ? any noticeable diffrance other then it LOOKS wider ? ie: is it handing better maybe not as good as expected ?

they have wheel spacers on ebay for a pretty decent price and i though the quad might look nice with them on their


if you have them on please post pix

Wheel spacers in the front would be a bump steer nightmare.

In the back would increase your unsprung weight and rob you of HP.

Just my $.02.

I had them in the front and back, 1.25 inches per side. I took them off the back when i put the SONIC swaybar on, but left them on the front. You will really need a good steering stabilizer to run them. Either that, or huge Popeye-like forearms.
The ones from Rocky mtn are awesome, light weight and very strong.

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so what ur saying is this isnt the best mod for old dirt road racing and trail running

so what ur saying is this isnt the best mod for old dirt road racing and trail running

Exactly. I did this before i got the swaybar setup thinking wider would be better. WRONG I was!!!

I do like the wider front setup. Seems like it tracks better.

Wheel spacers in the front would be a bump steer nightmare.

In the back would increase your unsprung weight and rob you of HP.

Just my $.02.

Are the spacers really that heavy? I've never had a set

I thought it would have made a greater difference but I looked it up and a pound of unsprung weight is equivalent to 4 pounds of sprung weight...so 16 pounds (assuming 4 spacers @ 1 lb a piece.) So it wouldn't make *that* big of a deal unless you were planning to sand drag your XX.

Anyway, you get what I'm thinking, I just had the numbers exaggerated in my mind for what a pound of unsprung weight really means.

As far as bump steer goes though, you and your glass wrist [ :) ] would not like the added leverage the front tires would have against the bars.

Yea I was just ribbing on ya a bit. Hmm and the glass wrist.... Hell naw lol, I'm reaching for the credit card now that you reminded me so I can order a steering dampner.

Better hurry!

I'm headed back that way soon...

:D

I had front wheel spacers on my Raptor, and it sucked with them on. It's puts additional load on the shocks and actually made it handle worse.

ok so if i want wider better go with longer A-arms

They have a deal on eBay for Housier arms and Elka shocks... 1700

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ok so if i want wider better go with longer A-arms


Yes, absolutely. Also a wider front end will help your low speed turning as well as your high speed stability.

will wider A arms help in the front end push department

Yes, but only if those wider a-arms are in the front.

If you think of it like the front needing leverage against the traction of the rear, the wider the front is (or closer to the rear width rather) the better your low speed turning will be.

(and more stable your quad will be cornering)

i know i asked questions about wheel spacers befor but y/n question here, if i get spacers and put them on front and rear dispite the fact i till get shakey or what ever will i get to feel what it will be like with extended arms on ( such as houser arms ) ( minus the fact ill have better shocks ) ??

question # 2 y/n will the wheel spacers be ok for a few trail and dirt road rides ? in short are spacers for the front and rear safe, i went threw one accident dont wanny try # 2... i just wanna run the extensions for a few weeks to see if extended arms will be my thing befor dumping 1700 bucks into arms and shocks and brakes

any takers on the above 2 questions ?

Spacers in the front will make the quad feel less stable in the turns. I would not put them on my quad. They will make your shocks feel soft. I had them on my Raptor and I took them off.

if you want spacers... put them in the rear only... never run spacers in the front... whenever there's an opportunity, then opt for the arms...

if you want spacers... put them in the rear only... never run spacers in the front... whenever there's an opportunity, then opt for the arms...

I 2nd this. Get spacers on the front if you want more bump steer, rider fatigue and getting your bars ripped out of your hands more often.

It sounds to me like you would be better off dropping the a-arm/spacers debate altogether.

Forget arms and spacers, just get some decent wheels, tires and shocks. I guarantee the performance will be awesome.

Linc

i wanna try spacers some where lol....... and iam to hiper wheels in the fronts and haveing my rears sent out to get cut into beadlocks

i know i asked questions about wheel spacers befor but y/n question here, if i get spacers and put them on front and rear dispite the fact i till get shakey or what ever will i get to feel what it will be like with extended arms on ( such as houser arms ) ( minus the fact ill have better shocks ) ??

1. No.

I would not run spacers on the front for any reason. This is horrible on the front suspension parts. It puts a lot more leverage on the ball joints as well as all the other parts. The front suspension is designed with the pivot points set in the correct position according to the spindle. The further out you place the wheel the more leverage you are going to cause and the harder it will be to steer in any direction. If you run it like that for very long you will start breaking parts including spindles and ball joints.

Doing that will never give you the "feel" of extended a-arms. Nothing you can do will give you the feel of better steering, more stability and better suspension other than just getting the real deal. And I can honestly say I've never heard anyone get off a quad with the Houser arms and Elka suspension and ask for their stock stuff back. The difference is night and day. Just be warned that once you do it, you will never want to ride a stock quad again.


If you want the added width up front go with extended a-arms.



In the rear you don't have the problems of steering. We have run spacers on our quads to extend the width to match the front. This is not ideal. The only reason we run these is because at the time there was no answer for extended arms for the rear. Now Houser has fixed that. When we install the Houser rear arms the spacers will be removed.

Just like in the front, spacers add to the leverage on the suspension parts and pivot points. While it is not nearly as bad in the rear because you only have a vertical motion and don't have ball joints taking the stress it is still not the best.


If you want to extend the rear to match the front after installing extended a-arms you can run spacers without any problems however the ideal thing would be to also extend the rear arms.

question # 2 y/n will the wheel spacers be ok for a few trail and dirt road rides ? in short are spacers for the front and rear safe, i went threw one accident dont wanny try # 2... i just wanna run the extensions for a few weeks to see if extended arms will be my thing befor dumping 1700 bucks into arms and shocks and brakes

2. I think my answer above covers it.

guess iam all covered here....... their goes 2k dollars lol

search: steering axis inclination, scrub radius, wheel offset, bump steer and read about it, i personally love my 1 3/4" spacers and my flipped rear wheels, i like the softer front suspension and am happy to have slightly more steering resistance against obstacles to get add as much sideways stability as i have over a stock machine for sure...it's more of an opinion i presume

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question # 2 y/n will the wheel spacers be ok for a few trail and dirt road rides ? in short are spacers for the front and rear safe, i went threw one accident dont wanny try # 2... i just wanna run the extensions for a few weeks to see if extended arms will be my thing befor dumping 1700 bucks into arms and shocks and brakes



J Caster is right too, it definately stresses the heck out of your front end components, i'm just sayin i had no problems yet, if you want to just "TRY" something, leave the front end be and flip your rear wheels, then test it, i bet ANYTHING you wont flip them back !!!

I had front wheel spacers on my Raptor, and it sucked with them on. It's puts additional load on the shocks and actually made it handle worse.

I had wheel spacers on all 4's on my old Raptor 660. It was a night/day difference in handling. I loved them. I could do many hairy off-camber hills without worry.

For dirt roads and a few trails you will be fine with spacers. I have 1 1/4 spacers on the front, my elka's are valved/sprung for the added width and I ride mostly motocross with lots of airing it out. I've been riding like this for right at a year and haven't had any thing fail yet. I did ride the quad with the spacers for about 3 mths iwith the stock shocks and the only issue I had was bottoming it out everytime I hit the jumps. You will get more bump steer which is something you will get used to over time. Just try it and form your own opinion. I've ridden quads for many years and have had long travel/extend a-arms, I've flipped the wheels and I've used spacers, theres advantages and disadvantages to everything. If you try the spacers and don't like them, put them on ebay and your out maybe $20-50 bucks.