: ***Official Dyno Thread***
scuzz 02-02-2009, 08:24 AM I've seen a couple of manufacturers have their exhaust systems dyno'd so I thought I would make a thread with it all in one place. Also if you have a custom setup (like Mr. 5W0P3) and you get it dyno'd please post it up here.
Please make sure that you post all of the setup along with numbers represented. (In case someone is at work and may not be able to see hosted images)
Also, please keep the posts in here on-topic as I'd like to sticky this for everyone.
Thanks!
-Gary
****Late edit****
Please post if it's your dyno'd numbers or the manufacturers.
scuzz 02-02-2009, 08:28 AM From Two Brothers:
43.1 hp : Slip on, Juice Box and no lid.
40.5 hp : Stock
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/twobrothersdyno.jpg
scuzz 02-02-2009, 08:31 AM From HMF:
Blue=all stock
Red=HMF Slip on, airbox lid off, Optimizer
Green=HMF Full system, airbox lid off, Optimizer
Peak HP:
Stock 39 HP
Slip on, optimizer, lid off 42.5 HP 3.5 HP gain over stock
Full system, optimizer, lid off 44.5 HP 5.5 HP gain over stock
Optimizer base settings: 1.5/3.5/3.5
(sorry for the tiny pic, the one on their site was tiny too.)
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/700xxHMF.jpg
scuzz 02-02-2009, 08:31 AM It's interesting to see the different baseline numbers for stock, which in my mind shows the difference in the dyno's.
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 08:43 AM The difference in the bikes too, Ive dynoed bikes that were different from each other by almost 2hp stock and modded the same. Any of those an actual member dyno sheet or they advertisement sheets by the manufacturers of the parts? That plays a little part too.
scuzz 02-02-2009, 08:46 AM Advertisements...(sigh)
But I have since added that request to the main post and my sequential posts afterward.
Are you guys all basically running 93 octane pump fuel, or race gas with the exhaust and fuel controller upgrade?
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 09:19 AM Shouldnt be any race gas for a 10:1 engine(or a 11:1 for that matter). 93 will be just fine for 10:1-11:1, if it had anything over 100 octane it would hurt power.
scuzz 02-02-2009, 09:21 AM <---- Pump gas. (93)
i am actually talking to one of their techs, and they said pump is fine, and all their dyno runs are on pump gas
talking the HMF techs i meant to write on the previous post
hpfreek 02-02-2009, 09:39 AM higher octain is un-need unless you are running 13-1 compression or higher
TRX_Sixpac_700xx 02-02-2009, 09:45 AM What about 92 and 91 octane?
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 09:46 AM Actually these big engines will need around 100 octane with a true 12:1 build depending on elevation and cam timing. The chamber doesnt have the right engineering to properly run pump at 12:1. The design is too "lazy" to be effecient enough at those levels. The 450s and crotch rockets have alot of engineering in the chambers and cam timing to run pump on 12:1 or there about depending on what brand we are talking.
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 09:46 AM What about 92 and 91 octane?
What ever your permium pump gas is will be fine.
hpfreek 02-02-2009, 09:53 AM i guess we will have to see when detenation ocures since thats the only reason to run race fuel is to prevent detenation. hey scuzz just for comparison throw in the dyno sheet from the raptor that on the two bros site
scuzz 02-02-2009, 09:54 AM You betcha...one sec.
smo0oth1 02-02-2009, 09:56 AM Actually these big engines will need around 100 octane with a true 12:1 build depending on elevation and cam timing. The chamber doesnt have the right engineering to properly run pump at 12:1. The design is too "lazy" to be effecient enough at those levels. The 450s and crotch rockets have alot of engineering in the chambers and cam timing to run pump on 12:1 or there about depending on what brand we are talking.
I don't think it would be recommended to run the 12:1 on 93 with a stock cam but should be fine with a stage II or higher. Would have to actually now the cam specs but generally speaking this would be ok.
scuzz 02-02-2009, 09:57 AM I don't see a programmer listed....
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/twobrothersraptor.jpg
smo0oth1 02-02-2009, 10:02 AM I thought the raptor had top end power... You have a big 3 dyno sheet for the raptor Bo?
scuzz 02-02-2009, 10:14 AM I thought so too, I'm searching the raptorforums now but all I've found was people with other engine work. I'll post as soon as I find something.
hpfreek 02-02-2009, 10:26 AM ct full exh pcIII lid off vs stock
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj332/hpfreek/700raptordyno.jpg
scuzz 02-02-2009, 10:34 AM That doesn't explain much.
What exhaust?
Programmer?
Lid on/off?
I don't doubt that they make that power; I think the group needs that information.
scuzz 02-02-2009, 10:46 AM I just IM'd one of the moderators at raptorforums to ask them if I could make a thread. I wanted to as first so as not to come off as troll-ish.
scuzz 02-02-2009, 10:48 AM Fount one!
This thread:
http://www.raptorforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48819
If you read the bottom of the graph it tells you what was done.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/dcloveridge/quads%20and%20trucks/003-11.jpg
hpfreek 02-02-2009, 10:56 AM that one was with a full ct racing exh power commander 3 and lid off
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 11:29 AM My findings as well on the 700 Raptor, very simular power band to the XX:
1st pull is stock with the baffle and lid pulled.
2nd pull is Big 3.
3rd pull is Big 3, 11:1, porting, X1 cam TB bore.
4th pull is Big 3, 13:1, porting X2 cam, TB bore.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/Bo_White/Bo1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/Bo_White/Bo2.jpg
smo0oth1 02-02-2009, 11:42 AM These last ones look lean up top with it jumping around, it shouldn't be that. They may have been on knobby's also
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 11:45 AM They were on slicks and a 3500lb roller on a Dynojet car dyno. They will be like that, you should see a graph on knobbies lol.
VelociRaptor 02-02-2009, 11:46 AM Like I always say, doesnt matter the dyno or the numbers as long as you have a baseline to compare to on said dyno.
OzLinc 02-02-2009, 05:39 PM ........
scuzz 02-02-2009, 06:33 PM Like I always say, doesnt matter the dyno or the numbers as long as you have a baseline to compare to on said dyno.
Excellent point, I also believe that said base numbers need to be run reasonably close, and not 6 months apart.
VelociRaptor 02-03-2009, 01:35 AM Well, in a way yes for the most accuracy but thats what correction factors are for. Still will give ya a good ballpark on gains....or losses lol. I dynoed my Z28 about 7 months apart once without a single change to the car and it was .7hp off from the last time.
scuzz 02-03-2009, 09:21 AM I imagine that if were a lot cooler for 1 vs the other it would make a bigger difference on a car.
VelociRaptor 02-03-2009, 09:48 AM The correction factors take that into account and recalculates the #s. SAE is the most commonly used correction factor and STD is the second most common. If you look at High Dessert Dyno sheet in the description it has SAE 1.14 or SAE 1.13 thats the multiplication factor it used to show actual power on that day with those weather conditions.
VelociRaptor 02-03-2009, 10:37 AM This is a dyno run on knobbies thats a comparison between a Big 3 700 Raptor and a Big 3 Raptor with 11:1 and ported head.
Big 3 Raptor pull:
LTE duals
GYTR intake
Dobeck TFi
Big 5 Raptor pull:
GYTR single exhaust
GYTR intake
Dobeck TFi
11:1 Wiseco
stock valved ported head
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/Bo_White/bovsruss.jpg
VelociRaptor 02-03-2009, 10:40 AM On this dyno(and most others) slicks will give ya another 3rwhp. I would have liked to put the duals on the Big 5 bike and dynoed again again to make it even better of a comparison.
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