This will be a cumalative post as i make progress i will put up the data for you guys. Didint get all that much done today but have a pretty good comparison for exhaust for you

This is Yoshi comp series vs barker both are done with my lid installed on dyno back to back without removing bike from dyno. both with QC un-installed so they are open and free flowing. lower run is yoshi and my lid no efi, 2nd highest is same with my efi (with setting of 1.5,2,1.5,std blues which are about right for that for anybody that was wondering) 3rd is addition of barker and efi set to how the package comes. pretty substantial i also shot some video getting ripped through the junk yard for you guys so you can tell the sound difference.

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG1.jpg

next addition i think will be a stg 3 hot cam so i can get mapping for guys with that then i will try the stock valve head i did. so you will see gains as it goes

Lookin good. I thought Yoshi is only slip on right?

Now we're gettin somewere!
I did domething simular with the Raptor back a few years ago so this should prove very interesting:
Horsepower
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/Bo_White/Bo1.jpg

Torque
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/Bo_White/Bo2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-9jis8Jx0g

here is a vid for sound difference this has the QC in the yoshi and non in the barker

yes yoshi is a slip-on thats about a 6hp difference out at the end actually most everywhere through the rpm

Cool I wanna hear what the Yoshi sounds like with out the QC

Sounds great. After a set of Houser nerfs the EHS big 3 is next.

the yosh sounds really good without the qc! Scuzz had it and i liked the sound of it!

gezzz u get alot bigger roost with the barker

LOL @ the dog running for his life. This is a great thread, I love reading up on this stuff. Thanks Eric, keep the info coming!

Hahaha git outta the way dog!!!

So the Barkers made 3.34 max HP more than the Yoshimura?

So the Barkers made 3.34 max HP more than the Yoshimura?
yes but thats not really what you should focus on its the 6hp more it pulled over 2500rpm that what you feel when riding. if you look at that graph over mph so you can relate it to time it gets there much quicker looking at peak # is really not what equates to fast and is usually what people get hung up on. The overall curve is much more important than peak #, just food for thought.

yes but thats not really what you should focus on its the 6hp more it pulled over 2500rpm that what you feel when riding. if you look at that graph over mph so you can relate it to time it gets there much quicker looking at peak # is really not what equates to fast and is usually what people get hung up on. The overall curve is much more important than peak #, just food for thought.

OK I see what you’re saying now, Thanks.

ok stage 1.5 done hopefully tomorrow i will have 1 of the heads with the stage 3 hot cam and piston done tomorrow. The hotcam stage 3 is a pretty good cam imo better than the smaller web cam it pulled well with a big 3 package the stg 3 cam efi settings for my controller should be 2.5,3,5.5 3.5,5,6.5

i have most the data figured out i will be having a custom grind made up here shortly been degreeing lots of cams to figure out what is gonna work and what dont.

heres some dyno sheets this is stock with yoshi pipe, ehs big 3, and ehs big 3 with stg 3 hot cam stock head,valves,piston efi withs ettings above

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG1.5.jpg

3hp gain on the cam, thats what I would expect out of that style cam. Keep the upgrades coming, this is what its all about.

Over 5hp gain at the top end is pretty impressive. Looks like it lost a bit on the bottom end though.

actually 5 out at the end, little better than i thought it would do but after i degreed it i can see why. what they have it listed as and what it specs out as is not the same. we get some more flow going through i think it will pull much better up top pretty decent cam for lower lift drop in

Over 5hp gain at the top end is pretty impressive. Looks like it lost a bit on the bottom end though.

i dont think it lost much on bottom a lot of that is how you roll into the throttle and what rpm you start at on the dyno from 4-5k your not always at the same % thottle postion until you get up in rpm so it will load motor slightly differently. if i put load on the dyno i can produce better comparisons for down low stuff but not really what im looking for in these test.

The wait is killing me :)

But well worth it, keep up the good work

Besides, this is a decent size cam and with stock compression. If it did loose a touch down low a piston swap will handle the loss.

Besides, this is a decent size cam and with stock compression. If it did loose a touch down low a piston swap will handle the loss.

wouldnt be anything out of the ordinary for a hotcams to lose some healthy bottom end on stock compression...

Why would you start a dyno run at 4200rpms lol.

so boost is a dyno professional now also huh

just like a cam with more duration makes more power right? lol

ok stage 1.5 done hopefully tomorrow i will have 1 of the heads with the stage 3 hot cam and piston done tomorrow. The hotcam stage 3 is a pretty good cam imo better than the smaller web cam it pulled well with a big 3 package the stg 3 cam efi settings for my controller should be 2.5,3,5.5 3.5,5,6.5

i have most the data figured out i will be having a custom grind made up here shortly been degreeing lots of cams to figure out what is gonna work and what dont.

heres some dyno sheets this is stock with yoshi pipe, ehs big 3, and ehs big 3 with stg 3 hot cam stock head,valves,piston efi withs ettings above

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG1.5.jpg

Hey Eric are you going to do anything with a Web cam or are you going to stick with the HC? I know the HC is probably easiest for you since it’s just a drop in but I was just curious since some people think HC is better and others like the Web.

just like a cam with more duration makes more power right? lol

:lame:

you say you point of the dyno pulls was not to show actual comparison of what the cam did... why even post it then... just for the top end...

im sure a lot of people would be interested in the low end rpm power, which is not always used, but does translate to how the camshaft rolls on and responds to throttle input

pulling a run from the lower rpms does stabalize the run making for a more consistent and true run, sample time also increase.. couldnt hurt

before i go into describing my reason for what i do what exactly are you trying to accomplish here dl and your new buddy jodi by getting in my thread. for one i thought you were the one that was all about small cc motors with high hp upper rpm power so why care about what my graph shows below 4k

Hey Eric are you going to do anything with a Web cam or are you going to stick with the HC? I know the HC is probably easiest for you since it’s just a drop in but I was just curious since some people think HC is better and others like the Web.

the next cam i get will be my own profile which web will probably be made by web. Yes generally web cams are much better cams than hot cams and make more power but for the xx they really were just going off specs for other motors i dont know as anybody actually degreed one in at least nobody gave web the info because they have no specs at all for it. I did not think the 290 grind work very well at least in the last setup i will probably get one of those to try and degree also to compare it to what i make. This hot cam stage 3 out performs the 694 imo and its less lift.

before i go into describing my reason for what i do what exactly are you trying to accomplish here dl and your new buddy jodi by getting in my thread. for one i thought you were the one that was all about small cc motors with high hp upper rpm power so why care about what my graph shows below 4k

it was an honest question...there will be people asking about the low end power...with the many test question i would alway get on it its just easier to pull the runs from the bottom and let people see what it is...

not shure what your getting at with Jody? He has purchased a few thing from me....does that automatically mean were in together and out to get you?...no...

yes we like to run the smaller cc motors to theiur potential but the average rider wants the broadest powerband they can get and WILL ask for those rpm's in a parts test

Ignore the negative comments Eric, not even worth waisting energy on. Keep up the good work, I can't wait to see the end result of this. I know the XX community and I myself appreciate the time you're putting in here.

I was just asking a question .Being that you are using a hc, i assumed this wasn't a drag build. I just wanted to know why you were not showing the bottom end #'s. I paid to be a Plantium member to support this site and thought i could at least ask a question.

if thats the case then i have half throttle 3/4 throttle comparison data it just happened that those graphs i used i was only tunning what happened at 7k and above and it matched the previous run i had used before. The stage 3 cam with its high cenetrline is a high rpm cam and is really what i was comparing. you know as well as i do that what happens below 3500 rpm is going to be semi inconsitent due to the time it take to go from 10% throttle to 100% and i cant see just mashing it, that doesnt reproduce good results in my opinion for comparison. Unless i load the dyno and do different style runs but then people wont understand why it makes 10 less hp power with the brakes on, on the dyno

Ignore the negative comments Eric, not even worth waisting energy on. Keep up the good work, I can't wait to see the end result of this. I know the XX community and I myself appreciate the time you're putting in here.


:stupid:... it's getting old! really old!!!... let me know when you have a good desert setup

:stupid:... it's getting old! really old!!!... let me know when you have a good desert setup

I have some good desert wheels for you :hey:

Thanks for the info Eric :thanks:

Ignore the negative comments Eric, not even worth waisting energy on. Keep up the good work, I can't wait to see the end result of this. I know the XX community and I myself appreciate the time you're putting in here.
Better put than what I was about to post, so I'll just x2 this one.

Ignore the negative comments Eric, not even worth waisting energy on. Keep up the good work, I can't wait to see the end result of this. I know the XX community and I myself appreciate the time you're putting in here.

x2-Constructive comments and critical comments are two different things. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between the two when just reading the words though.

Better put than what I was about to post, so I'll just x2 this one.

Just because someone questions something someone else is doing doesn’t mean its negative. I ask people every day at work why they did what they did and its not to be a dick it’s to learn something new or have the opportunity to show them something new. People around here need to ask more questions, IMO it’s the only way to learn. I don’t know much about any of this so I kind of hang back and read because I don’t like putting my foot in my mouth, but I was thinking the same thing about the dyno sheet and I’m happy someone asked the question and happy Eric answered it.

I was about to post something negative....well as smart a$$ comment actually, but so many ppl posted back and forth so quick, I decided to say something positive.
Meaning the keep up the good work, we appreciate what you do for the community part.

What piston will you be using with stage 3 hot cam?

Eric, I talked to you this morning with the same set-up (11:1 piston, ported head, 37 mm intake valve, barker pipe and ehs controller + the hot cam stage 3 and i'm please with the controller setting you gave me so far but i'm still in break in procedure. I will hook my wideband on it to fine tune the air/fuel ratio as i do with my turbo car. For all the is responsive down low and rev happy so that's cool for my riding style....

Bringing this back up its not on back burner just taking awhile to get the new cam made up. I would of hoped to have it a few weeks ago but i should have it next week. Its totally different than whats available now by a good bit. New master grinds on the lobes with quite a bit different lift and duration and centerline. Im hoping for a big improvement over whats availalbe now. Good or bad its a totally different option we will see soon how it performs

Is this cam going to be more for a stock head XX or will it work just as well for a ported head?

This cam is for a ported head the hot cams work good for stock heads so i dont want to invest much time in making something for that

do you have an estimate on the $$

This cam is for a ported head the hot cams work good for stock heads so i dont want to invest much time in making something for that

Thanks Eric

$$ will depend on how much power it makes :)

jk i will get that info for you soon let me make sure it does what i think it will first

Eric will this be plug an play like your big three? In other words could we by the parts and have you remap our bullet box and it run good.

Eric im excited, and i appriciate all the hard work. Looking foward to those long straight aways.

Eric will this be plug an play like your big three? In other words could we by the parts and have you remap our bullet box and it run good.


thats the plan this cam will require good springs though it will be to high lift for the stock springs also hard faced rockers. Its also a regrind not a replacement billet like the hotcams.

Ok I'm just wondering if I could buy the stuff and install it myself without needing a dyno tune?

How's the build going? Are you keeping it a stock bore for now?

its coming eventually i have been waiting on this cam for over a month now i do have some new +3 valves getting made which were only going to be +2 before so that is good.

Why do you got to make your valves bigger than mine, I am to competitive to be comfortable with that :lmao: J/K. Yeah its a waiting game with the XX, not many parts out there. Are you going to work on extending the XX somehow?

yeah its tougher when its custom stuff also have some new springs that should be good for .480 lift so i can make a bigger cam yet than what i just had made up :)


the std kibbles are being maxed + a little with the std cams available now

no plans on frame stuff at the moment i have some drag stuff i have had built for me that i will be offering for the raptors before to long. i have a bunch of motor packages for different things that will be keeping me busy for the rest of the year

Yeah the spring choices we have right now suck. Can't wait to see some numbers on these big bore builds going on.

degreeing up the new cam:yay:

:rock:

Awesome, can't wait to see what you guys come up with, just reminded me I need to order some parts from you guys.

When are we going to see some numbers...It's been so long since someone has posted up a sheet I'm starting to go through withdrawals :lol:

Here is some more testing the cam came in very close to what i wanted but was off slightly the intake duration came in about 15 degrees shorter than i wanted, i might make some revesions to it but its still working pretty sweet imo for being a lower lift (same is whats out there now) i have plans for a bigger one shortly.

This is Big 3 with hot cams and stock head vs Big 3, new cam, my head, and +3 tb I dont think the TB is good for much at this point but it is on there

I know i will get asked run 31 is same run as before but this time its in SAE correction factor which accounts for air temp etc etc the other days i did them basically back to back but it was chilly so it shows a little more ponies when you dont use it. Being its much different today its more fair to compare the 3 runs



http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG2.jpg


this is a graph vs hot cam stg 3 and new cam in same ported head

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG1_75.jpg


Here is some info to compare it to other builds of similar aspects

Red line is current build head work, new cam, stock valves, springs, rockers, big 3 and +3tb

Blue line is what i built over a year ago (phucknutz bike) Head work stock valves web 694 cam springs rockers big 3

green line is another persons bike with head work (not mine but its not joe smoe either) web 290 grind, +1 Valves, springs, rockers, big 3

these were all done exactly the same

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG2_comp.jpg


I have the big valves in the works which i think is the hurdle at this point and some more tuning to do the current build is using the base map that i send with the big 3 packages so there is a little left there as well.

Nice increase with your cam :tup: So your cam is a drop in and doesn’t need rockers or springs?

Edit and are you still running the stock piston in the current build?

i forgot to say there were cp 11.5 to 1 pistons installed in the hotcam stg3 vs new cam graph, and the current build in fiorst graph, also the comparison graph where the 694,290 and new cam were compared all those builds had cp 11.5 piston installed as well all on pump 93 when i get some big valves in i will put some good gas in and see what it does. maybe i will do it tomorrow if i have time

Whats the green line in the first graph?

Thats the big 3 package same run as i posted before just in sae correction factor as i was talking about above where it compares runs and factors in air quality and temp so they are on even playing field.

also fyi and im trying to say this correctly all dyno # are not going to be equal what makes x amount hp here may only make xx amount over there. There is a lot of variance from one to the other even same brand dyno's its just how it works. The green line on the graph where i compared the 2 webcams and the new one i did was all the parts that are supposed to pull between 60-62 hp which the may somewheres else its just here they only pulled 53/54. thats what makes all this testing important so you can see the gains as it goes and compare apples to apples

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I got the Hot cam stage 3 in my bike this weekend and adjusted my bullet box to the map you posted on page 2. I ran it for a couple hours and brought it back and adjusted the valves. Haven't had a chance to ride it since. Gonna go out this weekend to see how much i notice the extra hp over just the big 3. Thanks again and keep up the good work!

we just had some fun in front of the shop 300ft on the road xx vs big 3 raptor sparks,pcv,no box and i tuned it so its right, xx beat it by 10 bikes+ with a 40 pound heavier guy running the xx

wish i had my camera

thats how we do it in north cakalak, finally the bike is living up to my screen name:xx:

hey eric will u post that in the raptor forum

we just had some fun in front of the shop 300ft on the road xx vs big 3 raptor sparks,pcv,no box and i tuned it so its right, xx beat it by 10 bikes+ with a 40 pound heavier guy running the xx

wish i had my camera

Was that the xx with the head work, piston, custom cam, and bigger tb that beat the raptor? :ohno:

yeah it was

the raptor was one i just fixed up it had a cylinder works kit stock bore but with more comp i think they are 11.5 on comp but the cust brought it to me so im not sure it was 51.5 hp and normally they only do 48-49 with that setup so it was running pretty good. didnt hold a chance against this xx though which it shouldnt just using it for comparison

Did you notice any loss down low with your custom grind? Glad to hear the XX is taking care of business, I need to stop going out with the drag raptors and maybe I'll be able to win a race lol.

no this has considerable more low end pull then anything else i have tested the charts show it and the feel does as well. The specs for this cam utilize the powerband of the xx much better

That hp atv's dyno number comparo always made me suspicious, from dyno to dyno you can be very happy or sorry. My turbo car is getting or losing 20-30 rwhp depending wich dyno I use so I'm happy with your comparison cause you did tried different set-up. Any way it's when you ride it that you can feel the power.

hey eric will u post that in the raptor forum

lol

Eric, is there any update on the BB kit you were trying to build yet?

no the crank hasnt gotten very far and WK was handling the cylinder i was just going to be selling and testing them. I have the cams available that i made up and the head is getting digitized so i will have port work available also. Still waiting on a few things for the big heads but the stock valve ones should be good in another week or 2

no the crank hasnt gotten very far and WK was handling the cylinder i was just going to be selling and testing them. I have the cams available that i made up and the head is getting digitized so i will have port work available also. Still waiting on a few things for the big heads but the stock valve ones should be good in another week or 2

Have you had any numbers pulled on the head yet?

Had you pulled any flow numbers?

i have not i will probably send one of the new cnc heads to get flowed i was happy with the dyno # on them especially since the cam i made actually had less In duration than a hot cam stage 3 the speculated duration from the cam lobes and actual # when degreed varied quite a bit. I think with a few changes there it will pull a fair amount of more power yet. I will do more testing before to long i will have the head with the new big valves done shortly also.

The first cnc cut head should be here monday or tuesday, i think i will do a cam with more lift and duration for the bigger valve head but i was trying to target a very strong bottom end pull with this other cam that still caried the power which i think it does very well.

I can't wait to see the dyno charts. When my motor needs to be freshened up I'm definitely going with your kit Eric. Will I still be able to use the EHS fuel controller I already have?

i have not i will probably send one of the new cnc heads to get flowed i was happy with the dyno # on them especially since the cam i made actually had less In duration than a hot cam stage 3 the speculated duration from the cam lobes and actual # when degreed varied quite a bit. I think with a few changes there it will pull a fair amount of more power yet. I will do more testing before to long i will have the head with the new big valves done shortly also.

The first cnc cut head should be here monday or tuesday, i think i will do a cam with more lift and duration for the bigger valve head but i was trying to target a very strong bottom end pull with this other cam that still caried the power which i think it does very well.

I was just curious as to what each port flows (exhaust, intake) and look over cam profiles.

got the new cnc cut heads done
http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/misc_projects/700xx_stockvalve_intake.jpg

If you want port work im going to be offering a promo to the first 3 guys

stock valve port work $375 + return shipping probably 2 week turn around i will freshen up your seats as well will include dissembly/reassembly seats freshend (not oversize thats more) after that its going up im just doing this to get some into circulation so they can prove themselves.

Eric looks awesome, cant wait to ride, i really appriciate all the hard work and im glad to know that i have you in my corner. Your experience and knowledge far exceeds any of my expectations and i wouldnt trust my bike to anyone else.

Eric looks awesome, cant wait to ride, i really appriciate all the hard work and im glad to know that i have you in my corner. Your experience and knowledge far exceeds any of my expectations and i wouldnt trust my bike to anyone else.

Looking forward to seeing some pics and vids of you racing your XX.

Theres a suzuki LT 400, and a 450r thats been smack talking. Ive heard enough, they better get there mess together cause the xx is coming

Don't be afraid of them!!!

The only thing im scared of is carnies (carnival people)

The only thing im scared of is carnies (carnival people)

Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.

Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.

Thats funny

Ok got the final testing done on the 1st part of this package did some comparison between the stock TB and +3 had a problem with the +3 so i couldnt fully test it out but its definetly good for some power. I need to get the issues figured out with it and i think i can pull some more out of it once its working right. Still waiting on the big valve head may need more TB yet for that not sure.

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/EHS_700XX_Project_STG_tb_comp.jpg

got 55 out of stock TB 57.6 with +3 not tuned in right but it pulls much better on top. the bottom line is with the +3 but the tps was jacked shows how much your losing when its not working like its supposed to

i have a map i am happy with for this setup took awhile to figure out how to make it work for these bigger setups with the way honda did it but it works good now.

What head did you use in this pull Eric?

Big 3 upgrades ready Head, Cam, Piston, Springs, Controller Reflash (will need side vents on lid if you have normal style also)

I have to get some cams here hopefully they wont take 2 months this time, rest of stuff i should have soon

I will gurantee it runs just like a big 3 package will as far as not having to frog with the settings install parts/ plug it in and ride 13-15 hp increase 15-17hp with +3 TB

Next stage will be done shortly

What head did you use in this pull Eric?
stock valve cnc ported head the new head i expect a lot from i feel pretty confident that will be mean

well i dont know where to start, i got this monster back from eric today and its absolutely incredible. i will never ride a stock bike again. the trails i used to ride and would max out today liked to killed me. i have to change the sprocket cause 1st and 2nd is a waste. hit the trottle it fish tails to the left let off hit it again it fish tails to the right, hit it again and the rear wheels will run out from underneath you. im starting to question the kutters ability to hold up. throttle response is faster than your thumb, it spools up like a drag car. its like a muscle car, you cant help but torq-in on it every few seconds so you can feel the power come in. eric says this is just phase one, phase two is gonna hurt some feelings

Don't hold it there to long, your lean after 8000 rpm (imo).

well i dont know where to start, i got this monster back from eric today and its absolutely incredible. i will never ride a stock bike again. the trails i used to ride and would max out today liked to killed me. i have to change the sprocket cause 1st and 2nd is a waste. hit the trottle it fish tails to the left let off hit it again it fish tails to the right, hit it again and the rear wheels will run out from underneath you. im starting to question the kutters ability to hold up. throttle response is faster than your thumb, it spools up like a drag car. its like a muscle car, you cant help but torq-in on it every few seconds so you can feel the power come in. eric says this is just phase one, phase two is gonna hurt some feelings

I'm happy to hear you are out enjoying the new power. Not too many of us out with fast xx, so I'm glad every time a new one pops up. I'm ready to have my feelings hurt so hurry up Eric and take it to the next level lol, we need to keep pushing.

well i dont know where to start, i got this monster back from eric today and its absolutely incredible. i will never ride a stock bike again. the trails i used to ride and would max out today liked to killed me. i have to change the sprocket cause 1st and 2nd is a waste. hit the trottle it fish tails to the left let off hit it again it fish tails to the right, hit it again and the rear wheels will run out from underneath you. im starting to question the kutters ability to hold up. throttle response is faster than your thumb, it spools up like a drag car. its like a muscle car, you cant help but torq-in on it every few seconds so you can feel the power come in. eric says this is just phase one, phase two is gonna hurt some feelings
Thats awesome! Get some video of you racing that beast!

Thats awesome! Get some video of you racing that beast!

He should be very careful, that's a lot of hp to handle. I hate to see somebody get hurt. Ride safe!

thanks boost for your concern, your thoughtfulness means alot. i was gonna say not to worry about me, but maybe you should?

Oh snap looks like we got a drag race. boost has a pretty sick xx you might have bit off more than you can chew on that one. You may want to get started on phase 2 now lol.

I love this forum BTW, friendly competition to push everyone to take that next step is always fun...as long as that next step doesn't pass me lol.

You shouldnt bet against eric

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We would all be fools to say that eric is tapped out, we know he has only went as far as ANY of his customers were willing to pay. The kit he just finished for me is far from being maxed out, but its something you can bolt on in the garage without any tuning and can ride the same day. Who else offers that? Hes just now starting to put some interest into the xx, (thanks to jodi) and we should all be looking foward to whats next. Yes Friendly competition is awesome. Trying to belittle someone (immature) is not

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/Bo_White/14wc7d4.gif

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Gonna be a good summer

We would all be fools to say that eric is tapped out, we know he has only went as far as ANY of his customers were willing to pay. The kit he just finished for me is far from being maxed out, but its something you can bolt on in the garage without any tuning and can ride the same day. Who else offers that? Hes just now starting to put some interest into the xx, (thanks to jodi) and we should all be looking foward to whats next. Yes Friendly competition is awesome. Trying to belittle someone (immature) is not

I don't think any builder is tapped out on the xx, its just a matter of how much time and money are they willing to put into a quad that has a weak performance following.

If Eric needs some advice to get you out of the 50 hp range, tell him to give me a call.
540-295-5602

You build engines, engineer new parts or tune bikes?

jodi really?

Do we really need to have the hp # debate, do you have a clue how many dreams my dyno has crushed it has litterally brought more than one person to tears. I will stack my hp # against yours or dl's any day. That isnt meant to bring him into this or say anything bad i just think its pretty well known that hp#'s seen here are pretty low when compared to other dyno's in this industry. You should know that when your 60 hp build was putting down a massive 51 hp here.

I hope you do sell that xx and build a raptor because you will fosure get your feelings hurt in that dept. I will have this new head done before to long and will be glad to put it up against your big bore bike as long as dwight is game

fyi it isnt lean at 8k i said i had found a map i was happy with and like i said before it wasnt the inj that was getting maxed out the stock map actually pulls pulse width at upper rpm's which im not sure why they would do it that way but maybe with your great knowledge of tuning you have figured out in your experience with what 2 bikes know you may be able to help me on that one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

IMO this section should be a professional atmosphere free of banter and smear campaigns. I have no preference to any vendor or members but I must say the immature posts should be stopped by the mods in this vendor section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0:funny::atv::hey:

Everyone's dyno reads different...get them to the drags and do what you paid all that money to do, and have fun doing it.

P.S I wish I lived out there to get in on these races, should be a bad ass weekend of races when you guys finally meet up at the drags.

imo this section should be a professional atmosphere free of banter and smear campaigns. I have no preference to any vendor or members but i must say the immature posts should be stopped by the mods in this vendor section.

x2 ^

Everyone's dyno reads different...get them to the drags and do what you paid all that money to do, and have fun doing it.

P.S I wish I lived out there to get in on these races, should be a bad ass weekend of races when you guys finally meet up at the drags.

They do for sure im pretty sure i know which one he is going to and if its the one i think it is i just had a 450r come down that made 69.5-70 hp there make 58.5 on my dyno. There is another one i know of that is closer like only 4-5 hp higher off in that ball park of hp # compared to mine but that one is a long ways (distance) from him.

i agree we should just race them, dwights is still a stock TB, stock valve bike running through a airbox on 93 gas. I think it will take his higher comp, bigger valve, and tb no airbox running good fuel bike all day

They do for sure im pretty sure i know which one he is going to and if its the one i think it is i just had a 450r come down that made 69.5-70 hp there make 58.5 on my dyno. There is another one i know of that is closer like only 4-5 hp higher off in that ball park of hp # compared to mine but that one is a long ways (distance) from him.

i agree we should just race them, dwights is still a stock TB, stock valve bike running through a airbox on 93 gas. I think it will take his higher comp, bigger valve, and tb no airbox running good fuel bike all day

The race is on...you guys all go to the same drags right? Talking shit about racing makes for a better race when it goes down. I'm pretty sure I I would take your xx :hey: :lol:

:ohno:

I feel like I am in high school again. I don't usally look into threads like these because of stuff like this. This is rediculous. We are for the most part all adults here. Quit with this crap already. I am tired of hearing dyno lower, your parts crap, your bikes crap your slow, etc. Damn... its getting old. I have nothing against either of you. But I feel like I need to put on waders to walk through the bs just to get to some good info. Obviously you 2 dislike each other. Settle it in the dunes or wherever, armwrestle, chug a beer, I don't care. ..........:nuts:
We all like the XX on here, leave it at that.
That's all I am ever gonna say about this...

I got p00 on my finger and last Dyno it hit 94.5 HP at the knuckle.

So you better watch teh fuk out or ima fling it your way!

But in all seriousness it feels like trolls on the WoW forums again.

So shake hands, break the rock, hug, kiss, do whatever you all do and finish building your monsters so I can give someone some cash and have mine done also.

Thank you and Goodbye :)

I think what EHS and HDD are both doing is great. I use Eric's big 3 kit now and my machine runs F'n amazing. Can't wait to run a EHS build in the future!

You are a true idiot Eric. Dont make up shit to make your self feel better, you don't have a clue where i go so stf up. Leave me out of this and i will stop posting in your baby build bs thread.
Proverbs 12
*15 The way of fools seems right to them,
***but the wise listen to advice.

*16 Fools show their annoyance at once,
***but the prudent overlook an insult.

I think there should be a race, 2 outta 3 and call it a day. Nothing like a good grudge race to light the fire in competition.

I think there should be a race, 2 outta 3 and call it a day. Nothing like a good grudge race to light the fire in competition.

I agree

busco

I think we should have a cage fight. Two men enter, one man leaves! Lol, not really though. Seriously though, I was enjoying reading up on these builds and seeing how they perform. Time to behave children, setting up a race would definitely be pretty damn cool.

This is the last warning.

Don't do it again.

I cleaned it up, but if I see it ever again there will be consequences.

Eric look at my signature . Will use one of your cam pm I will put the bike on the dyno around here, they are trusty and know to read lower number. And for the hp shit my trick going to an oval track around here and get chronos for each part try out. Dyno reading is just a reference number. But wait tuners what dyno number you get for a bone stock 700xx and raptors?

Regarding the tuners around I was saying that he is Known for reading lower than other guys, but his bikes run head to head with higher dyno reading. Anyway I want to compare powerbands to match my riding style.

Eric look at my signature . Will use one of your cam pm I will put the bike on the dyno around here, they are trusty and know to read lower number. And for the hp shit my trick going to an oval track around here and get chronos for each part try out. Dyno reading is just a reference number. But wait tuners what dyno number you get for a bone stock 700xx and raptors?

What? Lol

This is the last warning.

Don't do it again.

I cleaned it up, but if I see it ever again there will be consequences.

If I said anything that anyone found disrespectful I apologize for that. I was just talking a little trash in good fun and was not trying to be little anyone or take away from what Eric has done with this build...if it wasn't for this build and jodys builds I wouldn't be pushing so hard on my build trying to get to the top...or imo stay on top :lol: jk.

If I said anything that anyone found disrespectful I apologize for that. I was just talking a little trash in good fun and was not trying to be little anyone or take away from what Eric has done with this build...if it wasn't for this build and jodys builds I wouldn't be pushing so hard on my build trying to get to the top...or imo stay on top :lol: jk.

I appriciate your motivation as well, along with the money and time to figure out what works and doesnt work. Remember getting to the top is easy, staying on top is the hard part. Lol

If I said anything that anyone found disrespectful I apologize .
I will also keep the trash talking strickly to Mike only from now on:lol: Gary i promise you will have no more trouble out of me, i will let my dyno sheets do the talking from now on.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/Muskytank/trx700xx_ehs_barker_combo_c_main.jpg

WUT NOW!!!!!! I AM THE ONE ON TOP!!!!!!!!!

:-D

Regarding the tuners around I was saying that he is Known for reading lower than other guys, but his bikes run head to head with higher dyno reading. Anyway I want to compare powerbands to match my riding style.

If you want to try a cam just get with me it will have a similar curve to the 694 just stronger across the board and some more umf below 5500 rpm. the 290's have a flat spot in the 5500 rpm area but pull pretty good up top but not quite as good down low. The one i did should pull a little more up top than the 290 but have a much stronger bottom end

its good to here you say that the guys that are usually actually fast realize that races are won on the track not the dyno

lol one of my other buddies made this one
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x256/cowtownupp/TopSecretDyno.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/Muskytank/trx700xx_ehs_barker_combo_c_main.jpg

WUT NOW!!!!!! I AM THE ONE ON TOP!!!!!!!!!

:-D

If I said anything that anyone found disrespectful I apologize .
I will also keep the trash talking strickly to Mike only from now on:lol: Gary i promise you will have no more trouble out of me, i will let my dyno sheets do the talking from now on.

If I said anything that anyone found disrespectful I apologize for that. I was just talking a little trash in good fun and was not trying to be little anyone or take away from what Eric has done with this build...if it wasn't for this build and jodys builds I wouldn't be pushing so hard on my build trying to get to the top...or imo stay on top :lol: jk.

I only step in when other members report it, I don't have time to read each and every post but when I get several people coming at me complaining I have to do something. Just know that it's not Eric. In fact he has *never* come to me about this stuff.

Sooo....whens the race gonna be!?

Thats the big 3 package same run as i posted before just in sae correction factor as i was talking about above where it compares runs and factors in air quality and temp so they are on even playing field.

also fyi and im trying to say this correctly all dyno # are not going to be equal what makes x amount hp here may only make xx amount over there. There is a lot of variance from one to the other even same brand dyno's its just how it works. The green line on the graph where i compared the 2 webcams and the new one i did was all the parts that are supposed to pull between 60-62 hp which the may somewheres else its just here they only pulled 53/54. thats what makes all this testing important so you can see the gains as it goes and compare apples to apples

Eric, next week I will be dynoed and throw dyno graph on dyno and after I will dyno your camgrind and race it in our gncc style enduro. By the end of june I will buy the hotrod +3mm crank and upload dyno sheet. Actually after 256h the small end rod to piston pin clearance is dead on out of spec (.0025)...hopefully 20w50 mx4 klotz is great stuff and the mill still don't knock but prevention rebuild is cost effective...

the next cam i get will be my own profile which web will probably be made by web. Yes generally web cams are much better cams than hot cams and make more power but for the xx they really were just going off specs for other motors i dont know as anybody actually degreed one in at least nobody gave web the info because they have no specs at all for it. I did not think the 290 grind work very well at least in the last setup i will probably get one of those to try and degree also to compare it to what i make. This hot cam stage 3 out performs the 694 imo and its less lift.

Just for review hot cam stage 3 was fine overall more usable powerband in gncc race , the 694 narrow the powerband and is more suit for endurance race that keep the rpm high, this cam like 15t front sprocket and hit the speed limiter easy. Now with the 694 cam I want to get a stroker crank to spread the powerband.

We found that the 694 made more power throughout the whole power band over the HC3...kinda crazy how much things change from bike to bike.

Just for review hot cam stage 3 was fine overall more usable powerband in gncc race , the 694 narrow the powerband and is more suit for endurance race that keep the rpm high, this cam like 15t front sprocket and hit the speed limiter easy. Now with the 694 cam I want to get a stroker crank to spread the powerband.

Your saying you hit the limiter with a 15t?

Your saying you hit the limiter with a 15t?


Right, the speed limiter in 5th gear. I haven't check top speed with the gps yet . Anyone know how to delete that limiter? I have looked the wiring diagram quick and wondered how this would affect performance if I trick the vss signal?

We found that the 694 made more power throughout the whole power band over the HC3...kinda crazy how much things change from bike to bike.

Maybe the porting and 11:1 piston do the difference, also the cylinder sleeve has been shaved of 0.16'' and retard a bit the cam.

Right, the speed limiter in 5th gear. I haven't check top speed with the gps yet . Anyone know how to delete that limiter? I have looked the wiring diagram quick and wondered how this would affect performance if I trick the vss signal?

There's a write up in the how to section to delete the limiter. Where r u running at to hit the limiter? I've only hit it on the Dyno with a 14t and that was 87mph.

Over here in between trails there is hard packed wood road to connect them. By the way the road I hitted the limiter was dead flat and it don't take much time to hit it. My friend got a stroked 450r aka 480r and when i'm in fourth gear I play with him while he is in fifth gear and when I shift in fifth gear I pass him badly.

There's a write up in the how to section to delete the limiter. Where r u running at to hit the limiter? I've only hit it on the Dyno with a 14t and that was 87mph.

I thought that write up is just for the limiter for reverse? From what I've been told the limiter in 5th is just the rev limiter (same as every gear) and the only way to move the rev limiter is with the vortex. We found the same as smooth on the dyno, we rev out at 87 88 on the dyno with the 14t, so if you are hitting the rev with a 15t you would be going mid 90s I think.

I thought that write up is just for the limiter for reverse? From what I've been told the limiter in 5th is just the rev limiter (same as every gear) and the only way to move the rev limiter is with the vortex. We found the same as smooth on the dyno, we rev out at 87 88 on the dyno with the 14t, so if you are hitting the rev with a 15t you would be going mid 90s I think.

May be true, I thought Wayne had mentioned at one time they got rid of it because it limited top end also. When we done it on the dyno we didn't have the tach hooked to it so I can't say for certain.

If it can be remove for the reverse it must be a way to get rid of this for 5th speed , when I hit the limiter it does'nt act like if you are say in fourth hit the cut-off.

Hitting 90mph wide open after holding it for minutes doesnt sound like something I care about doing. Now if you can hit 90mph in a 1/4 mile then I would think removing the limiter would be useful.

Hitting 90mph wide open after holding it for minutes doesnt sound like something I care about doing. Now if you can hit 90mph in a 1/4 mile then I would think removing the limiter would be useful.

I feel the same, I've tried to make stops at the top of fourth and slide over 100ft with all four locked up. These Razr have horrible straight line traction.

Hitting 90mph wide open after holding it for minutes doesnt sound like something I care about doing. Now if you can hit 90mph in a 1/4 mile then I would think removing the limiter would be useful.


Just a question, my sleeve has been shaved of .016'' and timing marks is clearly offset, so it retard the cam right?Can it have moved my power band in the higher rpm and make more over rev? I don't feel any drop in power before hitting the cut-off when I'm shifting trough the gears.Maybe that why I'm topping speed in fifth gear?

You would need to degree the cam to find out exactly where your at in doing this first. An even easier fix would be to get a thicker base gasket to make up for what you shaved and put you back to OE height.

When we shave Raptor cylinders .040" it doesnt move the power band up but a couple hundred rpm so it shouldnt be an issue.

Eric, any updates on your cam/head/build?!!? Hayden was telling me you dynoed a hotcam st 3 and made some decent power. Since its drop in I was thinking about doing this, would I have to send you the ehs controller?

Scott, read post 15 in this thread.

Scott, read post 15 in this thread.
Excellent, thanks Hayden. Did Eric ever get any testing done with the cnc'd head or + size vavle head?

When I talked to him last he said it would be a month or so for the +3 valve head

I have most all the parts for the big head i have to send it out to get new seats put in it again i didnt like how the +3 fit the stock seats, and had to change more up with the guides. It shouldnt be that much longer i got put a little behind when i hurt my leg so im still playing catch-up.

I did do testing with the stg3 hot cam also fyi it worked well with the stock head in a ported head the bigger cams due much better but in a stocker its not that far off from the bigger ones not worth the extra expense to upgrade to springs/rockers imo. If you want to run springs/rockers get the bigger cams you can do what you need to with my efi already with the stg 3 the settings were on the post for the bigger setup i need to reflash it

So when can I drop off my bike and you put that engine in it :)

Big 3 just wasn't enough :)

anytime just leave a credit card and a note saying how much hp you want :)

The 40mm valve fits the Honda seat just like the Yamaha seat.

anytime just leave a credit card and a note saying how much hp you want :)


How about cash....

And Im thinkin mid 60's? Seriously, by the way :)

they may but im putting bigger seats in for 39mm it sealed but not like i wanted it to.

cash is better yet

How about cash....

And Im thinkin mid 60's? Seriously, by the way :)


:rock:Another XX owner with the need for speed.

If you were to put a pricetag on upgrades to get me to mid 60's what would it be :-D

:rock:Another XX owner with the need for speed.

As soon as I get my settlement from the car accident I was in, Im shipping my head out to Eric for the CNC port and polish with the +3 valves, his new cam, and Im going to do a bored throttle boddy. Just waiting on the funds!

If you were to put a pricetag on upgrades to get me to mid 60's what would it be :-D

Seems like 60HP was not that hard to get but the battle from 60ish to 67HP took a lot of time and money. I wish you luck and I'm glad to see more and more people starting to get into the XX motor and get some power out of it :tup:

As soon as I get my settlement from the car accident I was in, Im shipping my head out to Eric for the CNC port and polish with the +3 valves, his new cam, and Im going to do a bored throttle boddy. Just waiting on the funds!

:rock: The head work is really going to make the XX come alive for you

Eric, What size exhaust valve are you using?

33mm

If you were to put a pricetag on upgrades to get me to mid 60's what would it be :-D


i can get you there its not problem, let me see if i can say this politicly correct.

it generally takes a little bit more to hit the bigger # on my dyno so if you are wanting to win a dyno race you will be behind from the start but if you want to go fast then we are on a even playing field.

once i have this new head done it will give me a much better perspective on the # i will be able to see. Dwight (onebad700xx) has dibs on the first one as long as he still wants it. I have enough stuff to make 2 at moment but after the initial ones are done its not hard to make more its just figuring out the first ones and what parts to put together

let me see if i can say this politicly correct.

:lmao: I think you tip toed around the subject just fine lol. Be careful guys I heard EHS builds eat your legs :lol: J/K

eric, count on me being in. im ready for more. guys i dont know about eating ur legs, what u need to be worried about is pulling ur arms out of the socket

lol hes talking about this

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/252963_176677575719359_100001313527340_396176_2305 563_n.jpg


that is very possible when you hop on something like this with out all your t's crossed and i's dotted

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/dyno_graphs/outlaw_coulda_been_comp_main.jpg

sucks but i guess its part of racing

Holy shit, they can do that? Put a vagina on your leg! Medicine these days, man I tell ya.

Holy shit, they can do that? Put a vagina on your leg! Medicine these days, man I tell ya.

Vagina..lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit, they can do that? Put a vagina on your leg! Medicine these days, man I tell ya.

:lmao:

Holy shit, they can do that? Put a vagina on your leg! Medicine these days, man I tell ya.

Whoa buddy, u been getting into some scary lookin vagina.

Whoa buddy, u been getting into some scary lookin vagina.
Ha, you have no idea!

You have enough beers , Anything looks sexy ! :haha:

You have enough beers , Anything looks sexy ! :haha:

I agree! I've seen some things and done some stuff... I wouldn't recommend it!

All I had to say was vagina and the thread was hijacked. Sorry Eric, any new updates with your build?

All I had to say was vagina and the thread was hijacked.

ahh the power of the Vagina! sorry Eric!

Are you guys still pushing forward on this or is Dwight happy with it for now? Have you looked into extending the XX or making it a SRA?

yes still pushing, i dont have any interest in making it a sra though that would definetly be custom

yes still pushing, i dont have any interest in making it a sra though that would definetly be custom


Ok cool, let me know if I have to pay you to keep his slower than mine lol. You guys are not having any problems keeping it on the ground? or is he only gonna do flat track and use a bar?

Ok cool, let me know if I have to pay you to keep his slower than mine lol. You guys are not having any problems keeping it on the ground? or is he only gonna do flat track and use a bar?
You set the bar so high you have made it tough on the rest of us. But no we are not done yet. I think Eric is waiting on me, and im waiting for the weather to cool off.

You set the bar so high you have made it tough on the rest of us. But no we are not done yet. I think Eric is waiting on me, and im waiting for the weather to cool off.

:lol: I'm sure you guys have a few things up your sleeve. We are starting a big bore/stroker build on mine and hopefully start running it on E85.

Dwight i have the big valve heads ready get with me so we can test one out

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_valves_1.jpg
http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_valves_3.jpg

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_valves_2.jpg

new +3 custom valves Intake with 6mm stem only weigh 1 gram more than a stock valve and you save a good bit of room with the stem being smaller

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_intake.jpg
http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_intake_1.jpg

havent quite decided what im going to do with the guides yet i think i will leave them long for now with a little more shaping and see how everything works

http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_exhaust.jpg
http://www.ehsracing.com/images/misc/port_exp/xx_exhaust_1.jpg

waiting on a piece again for the exhaust to be done once thats done i can get some measurements and finish up the exhaust springs/valves and guide height.

Can't wait to see what Dwights bike can do...its gonna be a monster.

Daaaaaaaang!

damn i want one of those heads! cant wait to see the results i am like most people in this club i dont want no drag motor i want an kickass woods motor for trails and cross country, worcs type stuff. looking good eric.

That's a nice looking head can't wait to see what kind of power it makes

Eric i cant wait either. Sorry i havent got up with u i cut part of my finger off loading daughters baby raptor. I will get up with u next week and see when u want me to bring this beast to ya.

I would love to have a moltor that needed something like that.

Eric i cant wait either. Sorry i havent got up with u i cut part of my finger off loading daughters baby raptor. I will get up with u next week and see when u want me to bring this beast to ya.

that sucks, hope you heal up quick so we can see some testing done on that set up !

Thanks guys

sounds good dwight im on vaction early next week then im slammed rest of week so it will be a little before i cam get to it anyways

Lookin good Eric! :tup:

Eric i cant wait either. Sorry i havent got up with u i cut part of my finger off loading daughters baby raptor. I will get up with u next week and see when u want me to bring this beast to ya.

Damn bro that sucks...hope you heal up soon. Good luck to you and Eric on the new build. Can't wait to see the beast finished. Eric such a tease, you can't post up pics and they go on vacation lol jk.

Damn bro that sucks...hope you heal up soon. Good luck to you and Eric on the new build. Can't wait to see the beast finished. Eric such a tease, you can't post up pics and they go on vacation lol jk.

Thanks, i had to load the raptor sideways on the trailer and evidently it was a perfect fit from the rear bumper and sidewall of trailer and i lost about a half inch and ripped the nail out completly. Sorry to hear bout ur truck, hope ur going to get gap insurance this time

Thanks, i had to load the raptor sideways on the trailer and evidently it was a perfect fit from the rear bumper and sidewall of trailer and i lost about a half inch and ripped the nail out completly. Sorry to hear bout ur truck, hope ur going to get gap insurance this time

Yeah gap insurance would've been a good thing. For some reason I have to learn all the lessons the hard way lol. But in all seriousness I was merried before and my wife handled all that kinda stuff and I honestly thought I had gap and I thought my 15k in extras was covered too. Guess its my fault for not checking after I left her but right now I just feel like she screwed me again lol.

Waterjackets really limit that XX cylinder head doesnt Eric?

Waterjackets really limit that XX cylinder head doesnt Eric?

they do

Looks like the port will do very well. Hard to see with pix but knowing you it shouldnt be a problem lol.

thanks man, it is hard to tell from pics thats for sure lol trying to make a pic of port work pretty is tough the thing can look beautiful in your hand then snap a pic and your like well thats not to bad.

damn i want one of those heads! cant wait to see the results i am like most people in this club i dont want no drag motor i want an kickass woods motor for trails and cross country, worcs type stuff. looking good eric.

Thats cause we dont have big sand beds to play in!! lol

ok so we went to busco this past weekend and it was my first time to really get some seat time on this baby build of EHS. Im trying to get some pics posted to show how many people got their tail handed to em. I never ran down the track we kept it on the side lines and the only thing that outran me was a built cr250 that would pass me at the finish line sometimes. I must have run 20 times, and could clear the track after 3 or 4 runs cause they didnt stand a chance, i would have to leave and come back when they started up again. I had guys on the sidelines betting on me, i had 2 guys come over and ask what i was riding. Now i didnt run anyone with paddles, and i didnt run any drag bikes obviously, and in no way am i trying to say i had the fastest bike there, but i smoked every quad that pulled up to the line :450s, 650s, 700s, 400s, banchees. Thanks Eric for your hard work and your expertise in my bike. Im trying to get it back to you so you can finish what you started. After that i guess i will be racing you on your drag raptor. I wish everyone on this forum could ride mine to see the difference cause they would never go back. This things a beast, i will never ride a stock bike again. Thank you Eric for carring me to the next level.:thanks:

thanks dwight i was hoping you were going to come back and have a beer, sorry i didnt get much time to chat when i first show up i like to try to get some passes in so i can think about what i need to change on the bike to make them do there thing.

Better hurry Dwight, I just put my snowmobile up for sale. If it sells I'm taking a 13 hour trip out to EHS! :)

Better hurry Dwight, I just put my snowmobile up for sale. If it sells I'm taking a 13 hour trip out to EHS! :)
No worries here, if your riding a ehs 700xx i feel like we are on the same team. It will be nice to have someone that can keep up.

No worries here, if your riding a ehs 700xx i feel like we are on the same team. It will be nice to have someone that can keep up.
I was serious but I was also hoping that would light a fire under your ass to get there too. haha

Alright guys i finally got something scheduled with eric to install the big head and throttle body. Looking foward to the results.

Good luck on the build.

Eric how much is your cam? Do you need a core?

Good luck on the build.

Eric how much is your cam? Do you need a core?

Damn, that would be siiiiiick! Go for it mike! More powaaaaaaa!

$275 and it needs a core

its a .440" lift cam which needs to have the valve guides cut down slightly or pressed into the head

most all the head i have measured only have about .450" of squish room which is a little close

so tell me eric how much for all the go fast parts for the 700xx:xx:

Damn, that would be siiiiiick! Go for it mike! More powaaaaaaa!

We will see. Ill have to see when DL will be around so he can drop it in on the dyno and get it tuned for me.

$275 and it needs a core

its a .440" lift cam which needs to have the valve guides cut down slightly or pressed into the head

most all the head i have measured only have about .450" of squish room which is a little close

Thanks Eric :tup: Have you compared it to the Web 290 yet? Ill have to get my other build done and find a core but im pretty sure ill pick one up from you to see what it will do with my XX.

i havent compared it to the 290 back to back it should pull close to the same as a 290 up top but down low it should beat it everywhere. its a much tq'ier type setup i dont think the 290 will pull more up top it should be real close from 7k below i would guess good increase especially at 5k area

it would be a good cam to compare it to