I just talked to the Dynojet guys at the Dealer Expo and they said that they will have the Power Commander V out for the 700xx in about a month.

Whats the avantage of V?

An O2 sensor to give the computer feed back on the air to fuel ratio so it can optimize its self.

I'll be selling my PCIII when that happens to get a PCV.

I'll be selling my PCIII when that happens to get a PCV.
:stupid:

i talked to a powercommander guy on the phone and they said as soon as they get a 700xx in there las vegas head quarters they will make a power commander 5 for it

I also have a request in to them to do a review for you guys.

Two weeks is the projected delivery date. They just got a 700XX there this past Tuesday. I have feelers out to both Fuelmoto and Dynojet for perspective pricing on both the PCV with and without autotune.

As soon as I hear anything look for a for sale thread with my PCIII.

That was my TRX700XX. I took it out this weekend. I love it. I had the Power Commander V installed and they have the map available for download. It don't come with a O2 sensor, that is part of the Auto Tune witch is plug and play once you weld the adapter on the pipe.

Which O2 sensor does it require?

Which O2 sensor does it require?

Yeah might as well get that bung put in now....


Also, MFR...what setup do you have? Are you stock? Did they dyno you?

Just got a quote from Dusty over at Dynojet.

The autotune part is $249.95 smackers, so you'd be looking at like $500 + for the whole friggin' thing.

Is it ready to ship?

O2 sensor comes with the Auto Tune. it is sold separate from the PCV. The Auto Tune is not required.

If they have it ready to ship I'll call them tomorrow and order one. It would be as close to a mass air system we'll ever see on the 700.

I am not saying you can order them yet. I took my 700xx to Dynojet and they installed it for me custom.

What about a standard 02 sensor? Why do you have to pay $300 smackers for one? Where does the 02 sensor plug into the PCV? Is the auto tune additional software or component? Why not try to bypass? Special plug? I am sure we could easily fab something up... just depends on the software I guess.

Quality Wideband sensors can reach into the 200$ range. Hopefully it comes with a bung, harness and some fancy hardware to 300$

I'm pretty sure it comes with the O2 sensors, I bet it doesn't come with the bungs though.

so if it comes with the sensor and the like, why not just get a bung? Bung kit is $20..

I was just speculating since the kit(s) haven't come out yet...officially.

Dusty gave me a Bung. The O2 sensor plugs into the Auto Tune, Auto Tune plugs into PCV. There are a few optional add ons for the PCV. Quick Shift, LCD Unit, Map Select Switch, There is also a speed/gear input and an analog input.

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_iii_usb/powercommander_v_information.aspx




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My TRX700XX is still stock besides the FMF Slip-on and PCV. Here Is My Dyno Sheet from DynoJet. The Red Line is without airbox lid and blue is with the lid on. Tested with Stock air filter. Sorry if it is bad quality.
Red Line: Max Power 43.84 Max Torque 40.48
Blue Line: Max Power 42.04 Max Torque 38.71
Red Line: Power @6000 RPM 43.82 Torque @6000 38.38
Blue Line: Power @6000 RPM 41.92 Torque @6000 36.72
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Picked up the Auto Tune Today. It comes with the Bung. Here are some pics including PCV installed.
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linky no worky

You may want to re try the link......................:nuts:

:yay:Sorry Had to fix my router. check out photos now.:yay:

Wow, those numbers are really unimpressive. Not a slight against you, but I thought they would be a lot more.

Wow, those numbers are really unimpressive. Not a slight against you, but I thought they would be a lot more.

thats what i was thinking

The numbers are rear wheel Horse Power. If they should be higher with only a slipon and PCV let me know.http://www.club700xx.com/vb/images/icons/headscratch.gif

The numbers are rear wheel Horse Power. If they should be higher with only a slipon and PCV let me know.http://www.club700xx.com/vb/images/icons/headscratch.gif

Yes, actually they should. If anything PCV is supposed to make the combustion process more efficient (correct stoichiometric ratio). A stock raptor makes 39-41 hp at the tires, I can't see these makeing less than a stock raptor with the B3 and the new programmer.

Something's not right.

The numbers are rear wheel Horse Power. If they should be higher with only a slipon and PCV let me know.http://www.club700xx.com/vb/images/icons/headscratch.gif

I wonder how much drivetrain loss there is.

HMF reports this with their Dobeck programmer:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/700xxHMF.jpg

Two Brothers reports this with their Dobeck:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/twobrothersdyno.jpg

HMF reports this with their Dobeck programmer:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/700xxHMF.jpg

Do you have a
http://www.purdue.edu/hr/images/magnifyingGlass.jpg

Red = stock 38-39

Blue = HMF slip on and lid off

Green = my eyes are bleeding and I can't tell.

I'm more than sure with a filter change he could get alot better numbers allowing the slip on and tune really perform.

If I were to do one item at a time it would PCIII, then Intake then muffler

I am going to place an order tonight what do you suggest for intake?

Depends on budget, I suggest the velocity though.

I cant see the charts, cause the Government blocks access to photobucket/utube and such. But if this chart shows the difference before and after optimization on the dyno, 2hp is not bad for just changing the map. If there is no baseline dyno run in stock trim( stock exhaust, no PCV) for comparison, then it's going to be difficult to guage any improvements. Every machine and dyno will vary so its important to establish a baseline of the same machine on the same dyno.

I just looked it up. The price is fine. what about a throttle body? I read something about Wayne Matlock using one. Who makes them and where are they available?

I have one bored over 3mm, KDS Racing done mine. Wayne had his done by Alba.

There is a pic of mine in this thread

http://www.club700xx.com/vb/showthread.php?t=406

I'm more than sure with a filter change he could get alot better numbers allowing the slip on and tune really perform.

If I were to do one item at a time it would PCIII, then Intake then muffler

I agree and the PCV with autotune would eliminate the need to adjust your map manually as you add mods.

Correct, I just got off the phone with them and they said you do not have to add a map initially but is better if you do. They are not available for sale either... bummer cause I will have to make a purchase here shortly to get mine going

Also I hope that this is a fully operating ECU and not some module that only averages variances.

Depends on budget, I suggest the velocity though.

Concerning filters, here's what I've found in my quest for the best...

I ride with ppl who have both foam and paper (k and n velocity etc). I don't know if one flows more cfm or not but they all seem very competitive with each other.

Originally I ordered the k and n modquad setup, but that was preemptive. The more I talked to ppl the more I realized paper filters are higher maintenance, like a ferrari I guess, ppl I ride with don't mind cleanin their filters after every ride so the paper works great for them. The foam seems to go longer without cleaning (although everyone says clean it everytime).

However, I'm lazy so I went foam just for peace of mind I don't have to worry after every ride. Even tho some say I should, I won't.

So while budget matters, so does ur level of effort. I think they are all close enough in performance to get whatever u want foam or paper and be happy. I have a k and n on my 450r and didn't clean it every time and when I hold it next to buddys who did clean his everytime, u can tell he did and I didn't (this comparison being done after riding and cleaning) mine looks like toast to his whether we just finished a ride or just cleaned.

So there's my IMO. I'm foam on the XX!

all the *cool* people are foam filtered.

5W0P3 even switched. lmao

all the *cool* people are foam filtered.

5W0P3 even switched. lmao

Finally I'm *cool* my life has validation! Thanks gary lmao

Honestly I'm only here for validation for you guys.

Oh did I mention you guys are the greatest?

Dave, I think that shirt makes you look taller.

[puts on rose colored glasses]

Thanks for the Input. Actually I have always been a foam guy usually using TwinAir.
I had DynoJet send me the stock HP graph so everyone can compare. I am also waiting on an email from them to find out what kind of mapping was done, Maybe the FMF Speed Slip-on doesn't have any real gains.:ohno:


http://mfr.game-host.org:9000/shares/Host/700xx/TRXSTK700XX.jpg

My butt Dyno would beg to differ. I bet you're making higher numbers than what were reported even if you were running no programmer at all.

Also, I want to stress that I'm not d-baging you or anything like that. I *want* you to do well.

How about the Cam? I want to order one tonight. what are my choices?

Yes but you have to look at the 4hp power from 3grand up. then at 5grand there is 6 more HP, The peak power holds in allot longer also. You can see in the stock setup it spikes and falls. With your dyno it spikes and holds for a bit. Peak HP does not mean a faster/better quad.

If you look at Waynes dyno you see his isn't crazy numbers either but the "powerband" is very wide.

I had three cams made but there a bit pricey and haven't ran them on the dyno yet. There are no other options as of yet

My butt Dyno would beg to differ. I bet you're making higher numbers than what were reported even if you were running no programmer at all.

Also, I want to stress that I'm not d-baging you or anything like that. I *want* you to do well.

I like your honesty. I want this thing to be as powerful as I can make it without messing it up. So just let me know things you would do to yours and I will do it to mine.

OK cool. I didn't want you to think I was *that guy*.

Yes but you have to look at the 4hp power from 3grand up. then at 5grand there is 6 more HP, The peak power holds in allot longer also. You can see in the stock setup it spikes and falls. With your dyno it spikes and holds for a bit. Peak HP does not mean a faster/better quad.

If you look at Waynes dyno you see his isn't crazy numbers either but the "powerband" is very wide.

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know the correct way to read these. now I see the whole picture. Newbie to dyno charts.

OK cool. I didn't want you to think I was *that guy*.

:lmao:You can't be "That Guy" you live near my Mom. She is in Leander.

I had three cams made but there a bit pricey and haven't ran them on the dyno yet. There are no other options as of yet

What are the differences in the three and how much $, and how do I order one?

There just a few grind differences, one is for all out top end put I wont be using or selling it yet. I would like to build another bike to use it in. The other two I will install dyno and put a few hours on before getting more out. If you really wont one bad enough you can try one but I can't make any promises as I haven't used it either. lol I'll give you one cheap if you can get DynoJet to sell me a PCV w/autotune

I will email you.

http://www.orientexpress.com/Honda/ATV/TRX+700XX/Intake/Power+Commander+-+PCV+-+Honda+-+TRX+700XX+2009%25252FPC5%25252FFuel+Injection+Con troller%25252FExpandable.html?osCsid=99e27f0674b9a 7de4ea6c38fb1b9fe0d

http://www.orientexpress.com/Honda/ATV/TRX+700XX/Intake/Power+Commander+-+PCV+-+Honda+-+TRX+700XX+2009%25252FPC5%25252FFuel+Injection+Con troller%25252FExpandable.html?osCsid=99e27f0674b9a 7de4ea6c38fb1b9fe0d

DAYUM! That's a pretty good deal! I paid $20 less than that for my PC3 :(

They said it would take about 2-3 weeks to get it delivered as they dont have them in stock.

totally...friggin....awesome.

How hard do you think it will be to get maps for the PC V?

How hard do you think it will be to get maps for the PC V?
Correct me if i'm wrong but... wouldn't you not need a map if its constantly reading your a/f and adjusting accordingly?

Its like a computer in a car, needs a base map to work off of.

Bo will your maps work with the PC V?

No, PCIII maps are different from PCVs.

Its like a computer in a car, needs a base map to work off of.


I was told by dynojet that a Base map was not needed but would make setup a lot faster if you had one.

Have you had another ATV purchase in mind?

I'm with smooth here.......I'm pretty sure it doesn't make the system a closed loop setup. A base map is all thats needed.

I think you use this system by setting the PCV in setup mode and telling it what A/F you want and any given revs and it sets the fuel map up for you and then runs that map; but that map is set, it doesn't constantly check A/F and update forever in a kind of oversampleing fashion like a true closed loop system does.

As someone else mentioned you can share arround the Oxy sensor so it must be able to be setup and taken back off.

It just crossed my mind.... Anyone know if the O2 is for making maps only or if it can be left in and the PC constantly reads it to keep an optimum tune?

It just crossed my mind.... Anyone know if the O2 is for making maps only or if it can be left in and the PC constantly reads it to keep an optimum tune?

Thats my point as stated above; by what Dynojet are saying and from what I can get out of the limited info they supply, it must just make a map for you but not constantly optimise that tune.

Be good to find out for sure.......someone will work it out soon.

Linc

That would kinda suck if it don't constantly use the O2, I'll call again tomorrow and get some more details

I was told that it constantly adjusts, but you can use it as a set-up and remove it.

I dont see an update anywhere but here is what I know:
The PC5 itself costs the same as the PC3.
The autotune kit comes with O2 sensor, AT module and a bung.
It is recommended that you load a base map on the PC5 so that the autotune is much faster.
It is not running on a loop so it is no use to have it on the quad at all times, just set it up, autotune and remove. This will also help with the O2 sensor durability. Nice thing is you only put it on when you do a new mod.

OK thanks for clearing that up.......

So could someone make maps for everyone with PC3's that are "autotuned perfect" with their PC5?

Nope, PC5 and PC3 use different maps.

According to the PC website, the PCV only "Works with 2009 or newer Motorcycles, ATVs and Other Quads". I double checked by selecting the 2008 TRX700XX in the dropdown menu, and the only option to buy is the PCIII. Once I changed the year to 2009, the PCV was available as was the Autotune.

<------2008...So I guess all us 2008 owners are SOL on this. :lame:

According to the PC website, the PCV only "Works with 2009 or newer Motorcycles, ATVs and Other Quads". I double checked by selecting the 2008 TRX700XX in the dropdown menu, and the only option to buy is the PCIII. Once I changed the year to 2009, the PCV was available as was the Autotune.

<------2008...So I guess all us 2008 owners are SOL on this. :lame:

I would just buy it for a 2009 and put it on my 2008. As far as I know there were no changes for that.

If the same PC3 works for the '08 and '09 model, the PC5 should work for the '08 no problem. Same system for both models. BTW, why was there no PC4?

Yeah, the only changes I know of were the plastics colors. But I would definitely want to confirm this with the manufacturer before I spent $500+ on an EFI controller...just to be sure.

I won't bother with the PC5 until I get into the motor. There cannot be a worth while gain over the PC3 to justify me spending more money on another programmer. If I didn't already have one, then by all means I'd buy a PC5.

I won't bother with the PC5 until I get into the motor. There cannot be a worth while gain over the PC3 to justify me spending more money on another programmer. If I didn't already have one, then by all means I'd buy a PC5.

That sounds like a good idea. Wait until I get my Alba Stage 3 THEN get this.
:tup: A-OK SUPER #1 QUAD YEAH! :tup:

Still, if someone gets word directly from the manufacturer about whether or not the PCV will work with 2008 quads, please post!

I just installed my PCV on my 2008 700xx and it works great. It is only $20 more for the PCV -vs- the PCIII. The size and upgrade options is well worth the $20. I am currently running the FMF slip on with stock filter program that PC has on the sight and the XX runs perfectly with my Yosh pipe. I will be putting a UNI filter on and running with the lid off for track riding and I will upload the PC program for that. I am thinking about getting the handle bar program switch so I can switch between these two programs on the fly.

I got the PCV for $291 total including shipping

I get my Alba Stage 3 Today. (Cam, Valves, Rockers, Springs, High compression piston, and Throttle body) I already have the PCV installed on my 2008 with Auto Tune installed at DynoJet. I will install it tonight and take it to DynoJet tomorrow. I will post results as soon as I can. We are going out of town for the long weekend so if I don't post tomorrow night I will for sure on Tuesday.

I think it is well worth it to buy the PC5 over the PC3 if you dont have a fuel controller yet. I would however sell my PC3 and buy the PC5 if I have no dyno close by as this would be as close as I could get to a perfect tune without the dyno. The PC5 and PC3 cost the same though. Posterboy is correct, it works on the 2008 as there are no changes. The same happened with the Raptor 700 the website says it is for 2009 Raptors but you can use it on 2006 to 2008 as well. Dynojet has only tested the PC5 on the 2009 models so that is why they say in their site that it is compatible with 2009 (covering their a$$ for untested models).

:steamed:Bad News. UPS didn't deliver till 7pm last night and when I opened the box my cylinder was missing. Just in case you were wonder the cylinder was sent because they said they where going to fit the piston and check clearances.

:yay:Good news. Matt is overnighting it for early delivery by 8:30am. I wont be able to get it in to DynoJet till next week though but I will get to ride it this weekend.

I got the PCV for $291 total including shipping


Site address please... Anyone find it cheaper? :confused:

I saw them in tqsatv for $285, do not remember if shipped or not.

I think a lot of questions here could/would be answered if you went to raptorsource.com and looked up the powercommander V their. I know everyone is a die hard 700xx fan, but the Powercommander V has been out for the raptor for a bit now. I actually have one on my 2008 Raptor 700.

The standard Powercommander V operates just like the PCIII. When you purchase the autotune portion, it includes the O2 sensor, another piece of hardware, bung and all the wiring. You have to drill a hole in your exhaust header about 6-9 inches back from the mount and weld on the bung. You should load a base map that gets the PCV as close to the mods you have on your quad. The autotune the fine adjusts the PCV the rest of the way and adjusts for other conditions. The autotune does remain attached and the O2 sensor does stay in for the life of the system. This is so the PCV can constantly update the map on those other conditions.

I got it from the Fuel Moto. Excellent service. They even preloaded the setting for me and very fast shipping.



http://www.fuelmotousa.com/

Here are a couple pictures of the Auto Tune Installed and my placement of the O2 Sensor.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/CIMG0001.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/CIMG0003.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j254/gwwaddle/TRX700XX/CIMG0005.jpg

***SCUZZ changed image sizes***

:funny: Diggin the pictures. But the "War Dept" hasn't yet let me get the 40" widescreen monitor I've been eyeballin'.

Maybe we can work on the pixel sizing... :D

How is she running with the PCV? I'm on the fence - PCIII or PCV... :confused:

I changed the image size for you guys. :)

Sorry about the pixels. I will resize them from now on.

No worries, it's just a minor detail.