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I have an extra head that is ported already that I can do a core swap on, PM me if interested.
 

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Money is no object

C'mon moneybucks! But a 2nd head and have them port that one.

No downtime. (well, less)
Haha...I guess I should just start saying "Money is no object". Right, Scuzz?


Smooth, I'm not planning on undertaking the engine project just yet - maybe in another couple weeks - but I might be interested in doing something like that with you. Thanks for the offer - because I'm definitely down for anything that'll lessen my downtime (insert "Money is no object" here - LOL). I'll PM you before I'm ready to get started though.
 

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Hello everyone!

Greetings!

This is my first official post as a member of this forum. I am a respresentative of Alba, in case my user name wasn't a dead give-away LOL! It is my feelings that this is a quad whose popularity will begin to grow at an exponential rate as people get the opportunity to feel it's true potential. We will do our best to help lead the way as we venture into the realm of TRX700XX high performance.
 

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Welcome Alba!

Would it be possible that we could see some dyno sheets for the different levels?

Thanks!

Gary



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Hello again!

A few topics have come up which I would appreciate the opportunity to explore.

Being a leader in the ATV performance industry for over 2 decades has helped us to understand the importance of knowing what it takes to provide top quality services to our customers.

*First off, time! Nobody wants to be down and without their machine! For this reason we strive to keep all of our kits on the shelf and ready to sell! Even our porting! While we are doing them by hand at this exact moment, we already have a couple ported heads at the CNC shop getting digitized. This means that in a month or so we will have CNC ported heads on the shelf and ready to send at a moments notice. For now we are turning them around in less than a week!

***A word about our porting: We have spent LITERALLY 100+ HOURS on our Super Flow flow bench to develop what is THE BEST PORT CONFIGURATION AVAILABLE for this head!!! Do not settle for second best! Given we support Wayne Matlock, a Pro-level "full ride" racer; we have had the honor of getting design insight and help from the R&D team at Honda. This, in combination with our Flow Bench gave us the jump-start we needed to be able to ensure that our port configuration is the best available.

*Pistons: We have done hundreds of hours of testing and in doing so have developed a piston whose design far surpasses that of anything currently available for this machine. We have made several improvements to our piston design which could not have been performed without the testing and time invested into this project. We are offering them with and without the coated skirt though in testing found no measured benefit to the coating. If you want it coated, it only costs an extra $25.00!

*Cams: As with the pistons, we have spent a considerable amount of time testing and perfecting our cam profiles! Our most aggressive Stage 3 cam is increasing the lift by over 27%, and the duration has been increased proportionally. Understand that bigger is not necessarily better! We specified certain grinds and profiles to the cam manufacturer to match and accommodate our port configuration. These cams will provide exceptional power without a loss in bottom end and torque. Keep in mind that we even had a custom valve spring kit and custom hardened rocker arms designed to accommodate our aggressive cam, since the standard kit permitted valve floating and measured wear on the rockers 80+ miles into testing! Given this, I would not recommend going with a larger cam!

***I am also offering a discount to any forum members who mention this forum when ordering a kit between now and July 1st, 2009.

Thanks to anybody who took the time to read this post, as it is longer than the average! Sometimes, when you put your heart & soul into a project, it is hard to sum it up in one paragraph!
 

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Dyno Charts!

Hi Scuzz!!! :tup:

I will be glad to post a dyno chart! Though I want to wait until I have a stock unit to create an accurate "before & after" comparison. Ironically, we did not get our dyno tires/wheels until after we started performing modifications. This unit uses an 11" rear wheel, and we had to do a custom setup to be able to mount our slick Hoosier dyno tires. All the "stock" dyno runs I have were conducted with knobby tires, which will not show an accurate horsepower rating.
I will try to get something posted ASAP! :rock:
 

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Alba

Thanks for taking the time to write a longer explaination of your work. Sometimes shorter posts are a bit too cryptic and leave more questions than they answer.

For reliabilities sake do you think the valve springs and hardened rockers are worth it with the mild cam?.....

Linc
 

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Valve spring kits & rocker arms!

Hello Linc,

Good question!

You can never go wrong with hardening the rocker arms. Technically what they are doing is welding a "hardened" material onto the face of the rocker arm. The material they use is very similar to the material they use when hard facing and "hard-welding" the cam lobes. This means you have two equally hard materials riding on each other, where normally the cam material is harder. Allowing both these materials to be of equal strtength will promote longer life and ensure that the cam does not start to "wear into" the rocker arms.

Regarding the valve spring kit, unlike the rocker arms, I would not use an aftermarket kit unless it was needed! Valve spring kits should only be used in times when testing has proven that the stock valve springs are unable to keep the valve in contact with the rocker/cam. The obvious term for this is "valve floating". Aftermarket spring kits utilize stronger spring coils, larger base spacers, lighter retainer materilas (usually titanium), or a combination of all three. The reason why these kits are not good to be used when they are not needed is that with stiffer springs comes increased energy displaced on your valve seats every time the valves close. It also promotes increased wear on the rocker arms since it now requires more force to open the valve. All in all you will have to adjust your valve clearance more frequently because your seats and valves will wear at a faster rate. I am not talking about a night and day difference. It may be as little as 5-10%.

I am glad you asked this question, because it is a common mis-conception. This is why it is so important for us to thoroughly test our kits; so the consumer, ie: you, knows he is getting the correct components and what he wants/needs. In this case I can safely say that our stage 2 kit/cam, while giving a great and reliable boost in power, does not require aftermarket valve springs!

I hope this answered your question. Please let me know if you have any more questions or concerns.
 

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I just wanted to let everyone know I received my kit from Alba last Friday in time for the long weekend of riding. Here is a list of things I ordered and had done.

1) Stage 3 Desert & Endurance kit with the upgraded "hardened" rocker arms.
2) The head was ported and flowed with Alba's Superflow flow bench. The head port configuration included +1mm oversized intake valves as well as a
5-angle valve job.
3) Piston is forged and has an 11:1 compression ratio.
4) Camshaft with Alba custom grind specifically for the 700XX kit.
5) Valve spring kit with titanium retainers.
6) Throttle body taper-bored to 46mm.
7) Velocity Intake Kit
8) Power Commander V w/Auto Tune.
9) FMF Slip-on Speed Muffler.

I am very pleased with the kit and the performance is very good. I will do an oil change this weekend and get it over to DynoJet early next week and post my results.
Also anyone considering this kit, don't worry about down time Turn around is very quick and customer service is superb. I have never had anyone treat me as good as Matt. He let me know when he received my parts let me know progress and when it was shipping.
 

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There may be a conflict of advertisers but there is not alot of aftermarket company's building parts for the 700xx. I live in England and trying to buy a 700xx and there is about a dozen sold here. When I buy a 700xx all my my parts WILL have to come from the good olde USA.
 

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There may be a conflict of advertisers but there is not alot of aftermarket company's building parts for the 700xx. I live in England and trying to buy a 700xx and there is about a dozen sold here. When I buy a 700xx all my my parts WILL have to come from the good olde USA.
Atleast we're good for something! :lmao:
 

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I have been lurking on here for a while now looking at all the mod options. After researching the aftermarket parts available, I have decided to go with Alba. I am looking at the stage 2 and 3 kits and was hoping to purchase one of those along with the Alba full exhaust, power commanderV, velocity filter, and autotune but when searching the Alba site it didn't have any info about 700xx kits or exhaust. I know that the exhaust isn't ready yet but do you have an expected release date. I am also wondering if the stage 2 and 3 kits are still available.
 

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as far as I know, the performance kits are available... the site is being worked on, and being that the site is new, things are still being worked out... the exhaust is in it's production stages, I believe, and will be out soon... I hope.... but you can call them and order something... call Matt, and he'll hook you up
 

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Kits are on the website!

I have successfully posted our three primary kits on the website. You can access and see them under the Performance Kits "ATV" section on the home page of www.albaaction.com. I have everything up there except for the dyno chart for the Stage 3 "Aggressive" kit.

If you read my initial write-up, I mentioned that when we were doing all of our initial testing and development I did not have my slick dyno tires, so the power levels measured would not represent correct horsepower and torque numbers. We have since allocated some custom wheels and dyno tires, and with those have performed many runs with both the Stage 2 and Stage 3 Desert & Endurance kit. The dyno charts for those kits are shown on their pages. Furthermore, we will be using the Stage 3 Desert & Endurance kit in Matlock's 700XX for the remainder of the season, with the exception of the Baja 100 (we will more than likely step down to the Stage 2 kit with a custom 10:1 piston for the 1000). Given this, I will have to wait until I have the luxury of installing a Stage 3 Aggressive kit into a customer's vehicle before I can show a dyno chart for it. However, we did get an average of 2 more horsepower out of the more aggressive camshaft, which should stay relative and proportional when we test using the dyno tires. So for the horsepower numbers shown on the Stage 3 aggressive kit's page, I estimated 2 more than the Desert & Endurance kit.

I hope you all like the kits and how they are displayed. The images are all large and high-resolution so you can really see the goods!

I will work my butt off to get those exhaust systems tested and produced as quickly as possible so I can offer the whole thing as a package!

We are also working vigorously to get more and more product on the site. I will make sure that we have everything from power to suspension to cosmetics. In a few months we should have the most complete line of TRX700XX products and accessories on the web with prices that say "buy me!!!"

Matt Fasig
 

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Thanks for the response Matt. I just checked out the site and the aggressive kit looks more along the lines of what I was looking for. What type of hp and torque difference are we talking between the stage 3 aggressive ported vs non-ported.
 

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Ported vs. non-ported

Typically, we will see a difference of about 3-5 horsepower. The torque will be affected proportionally. The throttle response will also not be as quick. You can always get the engine kit without porting, and upgrade to the porting later. Another modification which I have not talked a great deal about on this forum but works very well is we can taper-bore your throttle body. I would only recommend doing this if you are porting the head. Are you already using a high performance exhaust system? You will want to purchase one if you have not already done so.

Let me know if you have any more questions or concerns.

Matt Fasig
 
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