Anyone flip their rear rims for better handling?
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Why 'oh god'? Something wrong with the question??
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I don't get it either :lame:
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If you did I think you would have to remove the mud scrapers so that your valve stems don't get ripped out. IMO if you flip your rears you will be putting to much load on the wheel itself. When mounted correctly the hub sits in the middle of the rim. Just my 2cents
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hmmm...ok, just hear me out here
Actually, is the hub actually in the center of the wheel ? Mine appear offset more toward the outside stock and inside flipped, but thats besides the point...
I may be way off here, but it has to be close to the same forces are on your wheel no matter which way you mount it if you think about it, I mean your only moving it out the thickness of the rim which is what like 4mm ??? So basically when they are on stock if you run over a rock with the inside of the tire it is the same pressure pushing up on it as would be if you were to run the same thing over with the outside of the tire with it flipped. As far as fast cornering, the extra width may put more force on your outside wheel, but the inside one adds weight to the inside keping all the weight from really pushing on the outside wheel that hard. In adition to that, you are more prone to slide and when your wheels are sliding theres less resistance between them and the ground taking pressure off as well. It may not be reccomended, but as i've said before, i weigh in at 220, so thats 725lbs plus centrifigul force and gravity pushing on that one outsiode wheel when i bury my thumb and come out of a corner on one wheel and they havent even began to show signs of fatigue...
just MY 2 cents...
Actually, is the hub actually in the center of the wheel ? Mine appear offset more toward the outside stock and inside flipped, but thats besides the point...
I may be way off here, but it has to be close to the same forces are on your wheel no matter which way you mount it if you think about it, I mean your only moving it out the thickness of the rim which is what like 4mm ??? So basically when they are on stock if you run over a rock with the inside of the tire it is the same pressure pushing up on it as would be if you were to run the same thing over with the outside of the tire with it flipped. As far as fast cornering, the extra width may put more force on your outside wheel, but the inside one adds weight to the inside keping all the weight from really pushing on the outside wheel that hard. In adition to that, you are more prone to slide and when your wheels are sliding theres less resistance between them and the ground taking pressure off as well. It may not be reccomended, but as i've said before, i weigh in at 220, so thats 725lbs plus centrifigul force and gravity pushing on that one outsiode wheel when i bury my thumb and come out of a corner on one wheel and they havent even began to show signs of fatigue...
just MY 2 cents...
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You're killin me..... :funny:
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Ok, thanks froggy, and by the way its not "leaverage" it's "leverage"...look, my neighbor who does chassis design and fab for penske racing as well as my roomate who was an engineer in the navy and is now a machinist for ingersol rand were both here this morning and we three looked at it, discussed it and, well, theres not much if any more force on your wheel, sorry, there just isnt, for that to happen your atv would have to gain weight somehow...if anything, theres less, because you have to exert less force on the end of a longer lever to move a greater load....
think about it, just grab your grab bar and lift your quad, ok, now shove a 4 foot long lever in there and do the same, easier ain't it ? well that less force, duh...
there might be slightly more torque on the center part of your wheel, but your suspension would have to bottom out before that comes in to play i believe...
think about it, just grab your grab bar and lift your quad, ok, now shove a 4 foot long lever in there and do the same, easier ain't it ? well that less force, duh...
there might be slightly more torque on the center part of your wheel, but your suspension would have to bottom out before that comes in to play i believe...
I was never the best speller!
The wheel is not really the part in question its the hubs, bearings and shocks that are taking the increase in forces. As been discussed in other threads its worse on the front because of the turning aspect.
yeah its less force on you (with a bar) but its still the same force on the quad isnt it. The quad hasnt got any lighter. For example tightening a wheel nut you can tighten it to a certain degree with a wrentch but if you get a longer bar and tighten it with the same force applied before your going to be putting alot more force on the nut.
Have you noticed your shocks feel softer when riding your 700xx with the wheels flipped?
The wheel is not really the part in question its the hubs, bearings and shocks that are taking the increase in forces. As been discussed in other threads its worse on the front because of the turning aspect.
yeah its less force on you (with a bar) but its still the same force on the quad isnt it. The quad hasnt got any lighter. For example tightening a wheel nut you can tighten it to a certain degree with a wrentch but if you get a longer bar and tighten it with the same force applied before your going to be putting alot more force on the nut.
Have you noticed your shocks feel softer when riding your 700xx with the wheels flipped?
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My cousin used to always flip rims on every atv he has had. He always drilled a hole on the other side of the rim(dont remember what size) for a new valve stem. In the other hole he simply put the valve in backwards. You will always gain cornering stability with wider atv's. You are going to put more pressure on the bearing but I wouldn't think it would be anything detrimental. It sacrifices to much for me to have a wide atv, I like my trails. But if I were in the dunes or wide open riding I would think it be great. Several have done it and there not commenting yet. One guy on here done it and has a post about doing donuts or something.
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oh god (book 2)
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Actually the backend feels stiffer because its not rolling all over the damn place when i'm trying to turn at warp speed, it just slides now, but i honestly cant get over the traction, i cant wait to climb some serious hills in pa, this thing has way more traction than a solid axle for sure...
I guess were both kinda right man, screw it, lets just ride them...
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You will be fine as long as the valve stems don't hit. Just take it easy the first couple of times you hit the jumps, because the suspension will be softer.
If you do this on the front you will get more bump steer due to were the new center of the wheel is in relation to the upper/lower ball joints. The stock suspension will feel a lot softer and will not be able to handle big air for both front and back. Some of the 450 guys can get away with this in the front, because they can stiffen the compression, but unless you have after market shocks on the 700 then you are outta luck. (no comp adjustments)
The rim will handle it, but the suspension or the quad may not due to bottoming out if you get big air. Just my 2 cent.
If you do this on the front you will get more bump steer due to were the new center of the wheel is in relation to the upper/lower ball joints. The stock suspension will feel a lot softer and will not be able to handle big air for both front and back. Some of the 450 guys can get away with this in the front, because they can stiffen the compression, but unless you have after market shocks on the 700 then you are outta luck. (no comp adjustments)
The rim will handle it, but the suspension or the quad may not due to bottoming out if you get big air. Just my 2 cent.
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I got the ds450 shocks and i fliped my rims. Totally worth doing... alot of fun. I won't necessarly leave them fliped for all time, but with razrs+fliped rims+ds450 shocks Its starting to ride alot like a straight axle yet still comfortable to ride. Oh, and push is all but gone.
Yea, thats me. http://www.club700xx.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4171
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Just tried it. Took it for a quick spin throught the corn field trail which has several 90 degree turns and I was able to go quite a bit faster than stock. A little nervous as to how the xx will hold up to the new changes but gonna take it for a longer ride to see how it does in the trails and if it will still fit in the back of my truck. Can always filp them back. Removed the scrapers too..
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Dont forget to check your lugs !!! Also don't forget your wheels stick out WAY further than before, i am used to it after some seat time and with the front widened i really dont worry much anymore, but the first day i did it, i backed it in next to my mower like it was still stock width and well, now the side of my poor innocent little red mowers hood looks like dale jr's racecar after being a little closer than comfortable to another cars tires, looks very race though, so instead of washing it off, i think i may get some numbers for on it...:lmao:
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