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Well lets check... http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+forum+for?Yeah thats great..... Except I did that before I asked these questions and didnt find the answers I was looking for. Mainly because the lids are used for performance and mine I was looking more toward water comming in or not. Especially because the XX lid is different than the many others with that big forward facing scoop. Isnt that what a forum for? To get answers for questions geared more toward your specific application? hmmmm