[DL700]

here is a comparison with a HC3 and a WEB 290 ,,,

Build consists of
Dmc pipe
PC3
intake adaptor kit
11:1 CP
+3mm tb bore
Stock head(no porting)


the Web 290 out-performs everywhere making another 3+ HP

IMO its the right choice from the beginning for the extra money for springs/rockers cam

 

[xx700xx]

Cool comparison! Thanks for putting in the time, its cool to see back to back comparisons like this! BTW, we ordered a 11:1 piston and HC3 for Pat's Raptor. O o boiiii

 

[jfdanie2]

Just goes to show that the extra money is worth it for the 290

 

[Crash21]

I take it the effects would be multiplied with some good port work?

 

[traitor08]

That's some good numbers for no port on the head.

 

[DL700]

I take it the effects would be multiplied with some good port work?

yes, id expect to see a 5+ bump on a good head port and same test done

 

[DL700]

This being shown,,, there is no reason to buy a hc2, hc3, 694 web.... Go straight for the 290!

 

[Britalican]

Thanks for getting me tuned up, maybe i will actually get to ride it some day. lol. Wish i would have planned things better so I could make it to the raptor rally this year, but we will have to find time to go ride soon. I kinda wanted to go just so i could enter the raffle and try to win that head porting your giving away. lol

 

[DL700]

Yup there are quite a few give aways going on, Porting, Cams, shirts , exhaust, intakes ect turbo kit !

 

[Britalican]

yeah, but most of that stuff is only for raptors.

 

[fraiolib]

is the web cam a drop in like the HC3 or does other stuff need to be changed

 

[jfdanie2]

Web cam is not a drop in you need springs and hard welded rockers

 

[Red-N-BlackXX]

Nice comparison but how much more does the 290 webb cost vs. the hc3?

 

[EHSRACING]

a good bit

cam $250 area give or take + you need your stock core
Rockers $180 area + cores
Springs $180 area
head gasket $45
labor to remove head swap springs rockers etc none for some but probably $250 for a shop

realisticly $600-750 area if you have to pay for labor on top of hc3 cost

i agree its defiently a better cam and will make more power the 694 will make more power as well i just didnt think it was justified in cost relationship for most of the regular riders especially with the 694 the gains on that cam vs hc3 were not much on a stock head

these were +3 tb imo the gains even on the stock head wouldnt be as different with the stock TB in the mix as well i dont think the hc3 will see much gains from the +3 were the 290 would see a easy 1-2hp increase so thats $200 area as well

 

[DL700]

This build had a Piston already installed so the additional cost is only really in Parts.... Not Labor.... so yes it is always more to do it twice

 

[Britalican]

Well Eric, your right, its not cheap, but those prices are a little higher than what I typically find on the net, but you can pretty much always find those parts for about $600. I got them for a lot less than that. I also installed everything myself (with help from my cousin) and that will save a lot of money, and can be a lot of fun. So I would say if you ever plan to port your head, and you have the extra cash, go straight to the 290, or one of the custom grinds. I didn't have the money last year, so I went with the st3 hot cam as it is way cheaper. Its a good cam and it serves its purpose, but you will never get the max potential from your engine with the hot cam.

 

[D Bergstrom]

I was thinking the same as Eric. If you do the work yourself, you are still looking at $400 to $450 for just the springs, rockers, and gaskets, plus the difference in price for the cams. Sure, if you are already removing the head, not a big deal, but if not, at what cost is 3 hp worth? You bet, future mods, 290 all the way, but for those that never want to crack the motor open and want to stay in a budget, the HC3 is still not bad.

The other thing is look at the curve, it is 3 hp on the upper end. Down low, they are almost the same. At the beginning of the curve (3200 rpm's or so), the 290 is way off, but I am guessing that has more to do with how the run was started. Sure, if you spend alot of time in the upper rpm's, the 290 will be worth it. For those that ride alot of tight, technical trails and never spend much time in the upper rpm's, the HC3 may be the better cam instead of spending all that extra money for something they may not get much benefit from.

Doug

 

[Britalican]

ok, if you really want to break it down, here are the retail prices right from web, not even with any special deals.

290 cam = $238.00
Rocker Arm Hard weld = $65.00
Valve Spring Kit With Titanium Retainers = $165.00

Total from Web = $468

then from rocky mountain OEM honda parts

Head gasket = $24
Valve seals = $10 each (you don't have to replace these, but you might as well if you pull the valves to replace the springs)

Total from RM = $64

Grand total = $532

So like I said, Eric's numbers were pretty high. However I should add that this cam is designed to be ran with a high compression piston. Thats another $230 for an 11:1 or higher cp piston kit. The piston however will also bring you some gains in hp, and it comes with a full gasket kit

 

[EHSRACING]

$60 is per rocker you need 3 IE $180 + core shipping

you need to figure in shipping to them and back

web is high on shipping it is $25 everytime i get a single cam granted i am on other side of country then you have to ship a core to them $250 is pretty conservitive imo

if it were my bike i would put my grind or the 290 in it whatever you prefer its just not for everybody and i agree the 290 dont pull down low that well its a top profile cam (its still pulls better than stock but its a top end cam) but i also wouldnt waste my time without getting the head ported to me (if i were a consumer) its not worth the extra $$ if you dont do head work

the extra hp you also wont see without the TB some but not as much

its a good test and comparison i wasnt knocking it people can make there own decision if they want to pony up heck yeah go for it

 

[boost addict]

There is only a core charge on the cam and Rockers, which you get back lol.Why would you buy form Webb? DL700(Daniel), White Knuckle(Eric), Alba Racing(Nate) all sell the parts for less money. I have a Stock cam if anybody wants to use it as a core if they pay for shipping both ways(maybe 20.00$). I had one builder waive the core charge if i promised to return the used parts in 30 days:tup: