I wonder how much his race times would improve if he was on a 700xx?
I agree. The xx has its pros and cons. I love the bike and the way it rides but I cant see him improving his time with the Honda.I love the XX (obviously) and it has it's place, but the 450 sport quads are faster in the woods, period (hence why they use them). I hate to admit it but his lap times would only fall if he were on an XX. If they were faster, they'd be using them.
I disagree. The only reason these guys aren't using machines like the 700 because in gncc quad races you cant have over 450cc displacement Terrain like the woody, hilly, bumpy, log crossings, hill climbs, creek crossings, and much more are the 700's bread and butter! IRS is huge for all of that. If you were to give Bill Ballance a 700xx, and gave him like a month with it on his land. He would absolutely obliterate the competitors in GNCC races (assuming the competitors were still on the 450's).I love the XX (obviously) and it has it's place, but the 450 sport quads are faster in the woods, period (hence why they use them). I hate to admit it but his lap times would only fall if he were on an XX. If they were faster, they'd be using them.
For me this was true at first, however after i installed some Razrs, it became no problem at all to do zero radius donuts.I was watching the way he was leaning and kicking the ass end out around turns, it wouldn't be as easy on the XX at first.
Why does it piss you off? He rides what he can win on and what his sponsor tells him to ride......of course if he was losing, I'm pretty sure he would find a new sponsor, which is why he rides what he does.It just pisses me off to watch him..
ive never seen a 525irs ( proven many times to be faster than most 450's) in the race so maby its just that most of the top riders are so use to sra that irs isnt a option. but when ever i ride with my ferinds that have 450's they can't keep up in the woods and one of them is pissed that he got a yfz it only has 100 hours on it and it needs new rear ball bearings and a top end. and he love how the xx handles.I love the XX (obviously) and it has it's place, but the 450 sport quads are faster in the woods, period (hence why they use them). I hate to admit it but his lap times would only fall if he were on an XX. If they were faster, they'd be using them.
I disagree. The only reason these guys aren't using machines like the 700 is because in GNCC quad racing you cant have over a 450cc displacement. Terrain like the woody, hilly, bumpy, log crossings, hill climbs, creek crossings, and much more are the 700's bread and butter! IRS is huge for all of that. If you were to give Bill Ballance a 700xx, and gave him like a month with it on his land. He would absolutely obliterate the competitors in GNCC races (assuming the competitors were still on the 450's).
For me this was true at first, however after i installed some Razrs, it became no problem at all to do zero radius donuts.
Its my belief that with the increased ground clearance, and the increased amount of time the driving tires would be in contact with the ground that the IRS provides; and not to mention an extra 237cc's, the 700xx would smash all the 450's in the GNCC style races.
The only time a 450 sport quad trumps the 700 is on a MX track.
I disagree 100%, and I'm sure he would too. lol The bigger heavier bikes (even Raptors, KFX700's) just can't compete with those lil 450's in the tight stuff like that.
So you're saying IRS adds torque?.......ok, if you say so.yep they dont got much torque and u gota use the clutch alot.
Although his post doesn't make much sense, Where did IRS adding torque come from?So you're saying IRS adds torque?.......ok, if you say so.
Not only the weight whole weight, but the weight in the ass end and the center of gravity of the XX compared to a SRA 450. I could fart and knock the ass end of my 450's around 180 degrees, where w/ the xx I need to do a K turn in comparison. I race both 450s and the XX in enduros and Hare Scrambles, and I will tell you where the XX is on top IMO. THE GROUND CLEARANCE, and the COMFORT. If it is a rocky place, or very muddy, I use the XX b/c I can save time going over the rocks instead of around them, where as anything else I'd use a 450. This summer I am sticking to just the XX for woods, and the 450s for motos. The XX is a great machine, but power to weight ratio and the 450's has it beat, along with the turning radius. If you watch some of those races, there are quite a few hairpin turns where you can get a lighter/nimbler machine to corner better. I think I can turn very well on the XX, but I can turn even better on a SRA. This is all IMO, and I'm def not trying to start anything, as no one else here is.Where's the weight stats? lol
Have you ever ridden any of the 450's?
But seriously, hang around racing enough and you'll see that the general consensus amongst racers is that SRA is much better in tight woods. I'll leave it at that.
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I thought he was comparing SRA to IRS, after reading it again I think he meant the 450's have low torque making you shift more often...I guess.Although his post doesn't make much sense, Where did IRS adding torque come from?
Where's the weight stats? lol
Have you ever ridden any of the 450's?
But seriously, hang around racing enough and you'll see that the general consensus amongst racers is that SRA is much better in tight woods. I'll leave it at that.
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