...but at the end of the day it's still a pos Civic.Those with no appreciation for driving skills would think that way. Making a Civic go fast is more of an accomplishment than making a Camaro or Mustang go fast. Starting with less to make more is a huge accomplishment. I've seen many, MANY turbo 4's take down V8 powered and sprayed cars. I guess those that got beat justified the loss by saying the Civic driver was stupid for having a faster car??