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I have been looking for adapter kits for a few weeks since I ran across a wheel spacer kit to widen the atv. I asked a few sellers if I could special order an adapter using a 4/144 to 4/110 spacing since they made the spacing kits for each already. Most sellers replied with no we can't special make you an adapter but I did get a reply from one sending me this website that offers what I need.
I'm not sure if it does work or not, I'm still waiting for the tech to get back from lunch to verify I can use this but I thought while I'm waiting I'd share it with everyone else. Hopefully if this is indeed correct we can now have endless options with atv rims due to having a 4/144 front and 4/110 rear. I plan on ordering these adapters today and as soon as I get them in I will post pix and tell the joys and horrors of these adapters.



http://www.traxms.com/Merchant2/mer...I&Product_Code=MT_WS4144110-15&Source=Froogle



I just got off the phone with the guys from Traxms, they were a really good bunch of people to work with. The service tech Shane said he was 100 sure this would work and if there were any problems to contact him and he would make everything good. So hopefully when I head home from being out of town on work I can throw them on and see exactly how everything goes. He did mention that I might have to use the acorn lug nuts if I run into problems with the stock flat nuts when I change rims. Other then that I should be good to go. I'll post complete details with pix, hopefully on Saturday and give all the specs on any clearance issues or what not like that. If anyone else wants to go ahead and try these for their self you want to speak with Shane.
 

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Interested to see how it works for you. Please keep us posted. It almost looks like they will add considerable width to the back, not sure if I want that.
 

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I tryed to have a local machine shop make me some but it was gonna be $400 so didnt do it, hope it works!
 

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That is roughly how much space you need to fit a 9" rear rim. Then you could use a host of 18" MX tyres .
But who would ever think of trying this ? :D:D:D
 

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What rims are you going to use? Are utility quad rims available in a 4/110 pattern? If someone makes some nice utility quad wheels in a close to stock offset with a 4/110 pattern, you might be on to something.

Now if you are going to use regular sport quad wheels, might want to think about that one. Figure most are a 3:5 offset, so since stock wheels are 5:2, the wheels alone would make your quad 6" wider overall in the rear. Now add to that the width of the adapters, say a minimum of 1" per side, now you are at 8" wider overall. Just something to think about.

Doug
 

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ITP SS Rims mmmmmmmm
 

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alba racing can do spacers for our bikes i am ordering a set of fronts i believe they are around 65 usd
These are not just spacers they are adapters to go from the stock 4/144 pattern to a 4/110 pattern giving us a wider variety of rims to choose from instead of just the ITP T-9 (no offense to anyone who has those). Alot of companies make a wide array of spacers from 1in-4in depending on what you want.
 

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These are not just spacers they are adapters to go from the stock 4/144 pattern to a 4/110 pattern giving us a wider variety of rims to choose from instead of just the ITP T-9 (no offense to anyone who has those). Alot of companies make a wide array of spacers from 1in-4in depending on what you want.
The bigger problem is clearing the a-arms, retaining near stock width and offset. You would almost need the same exact rims to accomplish all that.



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What rims are you going to use? Are utility quad rims available in a 4/110 pattern? If someone makes some nice utility quad wheels in a close to stock offset with a 4/110 pattern, you might be on to something.

Now if you are going to use regular sport quad wheels, might want to think about that one. Figure most are a 3:5 offset, so since stock wheels are 5:2, the wheels alone would make your quad 6" wider overall in the rear. Now add to that the width of the adapters, say a minimum of 1" per side, now you are at 8" wider overall. Just something to think about.

Doug
I plan on getting a 1.5in spacer for the front to match the added space in the rear but here are my plans on wheels and tires.


I'm going with Hiper Racing Wheels and Maxxis Tires.
Front Rims are the CF1A 1050-HCF-A-NBL 10x5 in a 3+2 offset
Rear Rims are the CF1A 1090-HOR-A-SBL 10x9 in a 3+6 offset

Front Tires are the Maxxis M931 Razr AT21X7-10
Rear Tires are the Maxxis M932 Razr AT22X11-10
 

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I plan on getting a 1.5in spacer for the front to match the added space in the rear but here are my plans on wheels and tires.
You know that will amplify bump steer and weaken the ball joints and tie rods right? Well, it won't weaken the tie rods but the tires will effectively have more leverage over your arms and the handle bars. Longer a-arms (if you have the $$$) is the best way to go.

Again, if you have the money. :D

Also the wider the rear is the more it will push in the corners, which I realize will be addressed somewhat by the spacers.

Just trying to help.



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I plan on getting a 1.5in spacer for the front to match the added space in the rear but here are my plans on wheels and tires.


I'm going with Hiper Racing Wheels and Maxxis Tires.
Front Rims are the CF1A 1050-HCF-A-NBL 10x5 in a 3+2 offset
Rear Rims are the CF1A 1090-HOR-A-SBL 10x9 in a 3+6 offset

Front Tires are the Maxxis M931 Razr AT21X7-10
Rear Tires are the Maxxis M932 Razr AT22X11-10
The front spacers will not even get you close in width to what the rear will be. With the 3:6 offset, you will be 8” wider with just the wheels, then you have to take into account the width of the adaptors, again, assume at least 1” min each, so that is 10” wider overall. With the front spacers, you will only gain 3”, then another 1” with the 3:2 offsets, so only 4” wider overall. I think the 700XX is about 46” wide stock, so with the new wheels/spacers/adapters, the front of the quad will be 50” wide, while the rear will be 56” wide, not really a great setup.

My next question is, why go through the trouble of using adapters to run Hipers? Hiper makes a 10” wheel to fit the rear of the 700XX. Wouldn’t it just be a lot easier to run those?

Doug
 

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I was thinking about a set of itp mudlite ats to go with a set of razrs. but i think that going up +2" is a bit much even with a 12 tooth front sprocket. a set of adapters would really help the tire/rim selection big time.
 

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Trust me with the 12 tooth you will be fine with 24s. Thats what I run and it works great
 

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so if i buy one of these adapter things i will be able to fit some itp ss rims on the rear of my 700? i really hope so cause i really want a set for it......
 

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My next question is, why go through the trouble of using adapters to run Hipers? Hiper makes a 10” wheel to fit the rear of the 700XX. Wouldn’t it just be a lot easier to run those?

Doug


The reason I don't want to run the 10" Hiper rims you can straight bolt on is because of the quote I got from a dealer who had these on his 700.

"The rim comes very close to the outer edge of the a arm & it will make the rear of the ATV sit about 6" wider compared to the stock setup. I have these on my 2008 700XX & I had to grind about 1/16 off of an outer tab on the top A-Arm. This tab is not weight bearing & it does not compromise the strength of the arm. This tab is out past the hub mounting bolt. You will understand better once you have the rims & you mount them, it will take about 1 minute per side to grind. You will not be able to run there mud scraper that comes on the bottom a arm. I have had these rims on my 700XX for 1 1/2 years doing XC racing & some MX and they work just like any other rim. If you are not willing to follow these instructions & you want bolt on & go rims then please dont buy these as you will have to spend about 3 minutes total shaving the tab I have told about."

It may be easy to shave the rear a arm for the needed clearance but I do not wish to do any shaving period on it. This option of the adapter gives me more then just Hiper wheels or the ITP T-9. I can throw any 4/110 pattern rim on there and they will work. This was not just an option of wanting 10in rims I wanted a different set of rims that was not designed for our setup.

The problem with the added width of the rear rims to the front and the bump steer will just have to be delt with until I can find the perfect setup. It will just have to be a trial and error basis until everything sets right. If the problem with the bump steer isn't to bad then I will probably just leave it alone. If it comes down to longer a arms then I will either find a dealer who can provide me with what I need. Or I will contact someone who can special fabricate me one to meet my needs.
 

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so if i buy one of these adapter things i will be able to fit some itp ss rims on the rear of my 700? i really hope so cause i really want a set for it......

As far as I know it should work to put any 4/110 pattern rim on our quads. I will have mine in middle week and will be able to post my results next weekend. If you want to go ahead and try theres nothing to lose if it works as they said. Shane at Trax has assured me they will work for any 4/110 pattern rim. Good luck and let us know your result if you go ahead and get them, I plan on leaving mine as soon as possible.
 

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It's seems your more set on running this setup by choice than reasoning. Where do you plan on riding with the mentioned offsets?
 
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