really do you have a link? ... we are coming down Oct 9th to 17th for the week. THats cool we can ride both. Hoping to get another group ride together but Hatfield first in June... are you trying to come to that? Only about 12 of us right now but hoping to grow as we get closer to June 20th to 27th. Seems like most are coming thurs to sun...my group from here are sun to sun.