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21's i wish i got 23's not though. haha Maybe i can sell the stock fronts and the 21 razrs and then get some 23 razrs cuz idk it just makes sense to have that size
 

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larger the tire larger ur turning radius will be...
 

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Shift your weight forward, it takes a little getting used too and once you do you can take advantage of it.

I have no problems going doughnuts or throwing the ass end out and going where I want, how I want.

Video to come later tonight.



 

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Am I the only one that thinks the stock turning radius is way to wide as compared to other sport quads? Just to clarify, I am not talking about push. My Rincon will turn a much tighter circle. I agree, sliding the rear end around fixes the problem when you can. Has anyone tried turning around on a country oil and chip road? Good thing it has reverse. Wet pavement is different as you can slide it around, but it don't like to do dry pavement donuts like a Banshee. I know they are not made for the road, but alot of places that we ride at, we ride to them. It isn't that big a problem, it just seems like they could have done better.

Not trying to hijack your thread hondatee, just seemed to be along the same topic.
 

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dont worry about that eehonda I learn so much about my 700 just reading all of your posts. So 700maniac you are saying larger tires up front will be harder to turn around?
 

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I agree, the 700xx suuuuucks for an idle-speed turn.
Sportsman 850 turns much tighter than 700xx. Its a bit annoying taking more than a 3 point turn on tight trails but still rather have reverse then tighter radius.
 

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Yes, I have had a Sonic for a while now and love it. Not the push I am trying to fix now, just making the turning radius itself shorter.

I just went and looked and it won't be as easy as it seems. I didn't know what those goofy looking things on the back of the bottom a-arms were for until now. They appear to be a "rim slider" the way that they are positioned. With the stops at the stem where they are there isn't much clearance between the rim and the "rim slider" on the a-arms. I am afraid the geometery is what it is.
i just checked it out... this machine is about maxed out as far as countersteer options.

one would have to run wheel spacers or different offst rim in the front and cut the stemstops to get more. oh well, i know what its like to be wanting a tighter steering radius, and what ever it takes if it does what you want it to. i personally havent needed this on this particular machine because it has WICKED sidebite and is hard to slide (some of the other responses in this thread will attend to that) so it difficult to put it in a "spinout" situation without pitching the rider off.:rock:

IF i was racing this thing in TT/oval/tight trails i might need more end point travel on the steering. but mine is from a countersteer perspective not just how it turns around. if it was me id just click it in reverse get it turned around and whoop the craptors azzes.:xx:
 

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hrs on the quad will fix this also and its the cheapest way to go. and also the l8ton swaybar and 23 rzr up front
 

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i went for the first real ride (3-5hr) on my recon since i got my xx and i for got how small the turnig radius is on the lil recon 250.... its bout 1/2 of the xx's
 

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Not saying you are wrong, but given the same alignment I am having a hard time visualizing how a 2" taller front tire widens the turning radius. Please explain. Thanks.
i really dont know why but when i put 23' ams black widows 4ply on my recon they replaced the stock 20'' good years that were on it.... i lost about 9'' on my turning radius.... same with my osportsman 700 i put 2'' bigger fronts and lost a few inches...
 

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I have got mine to turn better than the 450r even in the tight ,slow stuff.
Most mods mentioned on this post will help but with the setup I have there is not even a hint of push and it turns tight perfect. :D
 

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i really dont know why but when i put 23' ams black widows 4ply on my recon they replaced the stock 20'' good years that were on it.... i lost about 9'' on my turning radius.... same with my osportsman 700 i put 2'' bigger fronts and lost a few inches...
Interesting...If I think about vehicles that exist that are designed for super tight turns, like a farm or lawn tractor (even zero turn) they all have large back tires and small front...coincidence, or do they know something we don't. I think if you put tall on front, it re-distributes the weight balance more towards the rear, giving the front less bite. Like if you had really tall tires, enough to get the quad to the point of balancing like pulling a wheelie...no weigh on the front at all...crank the handlebars all day, nothin gonna happen. Small on front would do the opposite and put more weight on the front, causing I think more tendency towards oversteer. So I guess then that the Razr benefit is coming from the ply and tread design, not so much the height at 23".
 

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Interesting...If I think about vehicles that exist that are designed for super tight turns, like a farm or lawn tractor (even zero turn) they all have large back tires and small front...coincidence, or do they know something we don't. I think if you put tall on front, it re-distributes the weight balance more towards the rear, giving the front less bite. Like if you had really tall tires, enough to get the quad to the point of balancing like pulling a wheelie...no weigh on the front at all...crank the handlebars all day, nothin gonna happen. Small on front would do the opposite and put more weight on the front, causing I think more tendency towards oversteer. So I guess then that the Razr benefit is coming from the ply and tread design, not so much the height at 23".

Farm and lawn tractors have a differential though and (mostly) a SRA. The former has a greater effect than the latter.



 

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Farm and lawn tractors have a differential though and (mostly) a SRA. The former has a greater effect than the latter.
Tractors have larger rear wheels because a tractor has more weight on the rear and less on the front.
With farmers it is all about ground compaction and ground pressure.:D
 

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how do you figure tractors have more weight on the rear? if that was the case, you would consistently pop "wheelies" while pulling any type of elements

 
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