Both '08s. Mine has a full FMF, factory 4.1 and Powerbomb, EHS controller and Uni with EHS lid, 13t sprocket. The Raptor was stock. I weigh 220. He weighs 175. We raced down a straight sandy wash, about a quarter mile. He had a better start. I caught him halfway and I had him by an easy 2 lengths at the end and pretty much could pass him at will once we were even.