[QUOTE=av8r;60820]I'm glad you all like your machine. I like mine too, but I'll stick to what I said. I've ridden/owned many quads and this one steers like a 4X4 on pavement. It's really a pig in that respect. I don't know what Honda did to the steering geometry to make it this bad, but try this test. Take any 3-4 quads and your XX. Roll them on a flat concrete surface in neutral then turn full lock and try to push them. The Honda will act like it has the brakes on while the others will continue to roll. Try a full lock turn under power in gravel with any other 4 quads then try it on the XX....see the difference? I'm guessing they wanted high speed stability so the low speed tight stuff had to suffer. I suspect it's caster and am going to investigate that.
I rode the KFX700 and the monster CanAm yesterday on the same trails. Even the CanAm as big as it is was easier to steer around in the twisties. The KFX was a dream comparatively.
I'm not condemning the XX, but to ignore this significant shortfall is silly. Honda made these cheaply (low grade suspension components, tires) when compared to other, similar units.
I keep hearing how Honda made a "metric ton" (tonne, actually... and it's the measure of the mass of one cubic metre of water
at four degrees Celsius)
But I can't find any production numbers on these that could back that up. I think they just didn't sell well...just like nearly every other powersports toy in 2008 due to the significant issues with the economy at that time (remember the market fall, $4.50 gas, etc?)
Okay. You have a point on the steering issue you mentioned above. It is a bastard to move around very slowly. With that said, I have yet to encounter a corner I couldn't manage because of the steering. I have not had to do a K turn on the trail to make a corner. In no way am I concerned on how it turns around at 1-5mph, because the only time I am doing that is when I am loading and unloading. You are right about the caster/camber, look at Teixera Tech's forums, and they explain it there, also explain the bumpsteer with the machine. If you try to sit more forward on the machine, to put more weight towards the front, try turning it like that.
I like how you compare it to the other two machines you rode. I really don't think anyone has had the opportunity to do this that much. I have rode both the other machines on more than one occassion. The only thing I see the KFX beating this machine in is turning, but everything else I will adore the Honda with, (such as the comfiness of it, the ability to go thru mud pits and just ride over all the ruts your heart can handle) and I have learned how to turn the XX like it is more of a SRA machine. Now the Can Am is a bit different, considering it is 4x4 and it has more weight on the front to help with turning, but I found the it to really get your arms tired pretty easily, mostly just from the sheer power of it while trying to accelerate and everything. Sure, if you punch any of these machines while trying to turn the front comes up easily and the ability to turn is a lot less.
You are correct on the metric Tonne definition. Honda also doesn't normally release production numbers, but the point I was getting at is that there were a LOT more made than sold, just as there was with every other quad. Which is why I stated you can find all sorts of new 2008/2009 quads in dealerships still that are cheap. My buddy just got a '08 450R for $4,200 OTD, brand new. They still had it in the box in the back of the property. They still had two left last week.