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post #61 of 68 Old 08-17-2015, 08:51 PM
 
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Been awhile since I have looked at the manual with the section for the "check bolt" on the crankcase, but my understating of that bolt wasn't so much for oil level, is was just to check that oil is actually there and reaching that section of the case. (Guess I need to go back and read that section again.) I am kind of confused on how you overfill the crankcase on one of these, since you never add oil to the crankcase, only the oil tank, so the extra oil is held in the oil tank. So if you add 2.3 liters instead of 2.1 liters, that extra .2 liters is in the oil tank, not the motor. The motor pulls the oil from the tank, runs it through the motor, then back toe the tank, the motor does not "store" oil.


To be honest, I don't know the exact amount of oil I put in either of my 700XX's, I drain, refill with just under 2 quarts, start, shut off, check level on the dip stick, and add until I am at the full mark on the dip stick. I really have no idea the exact amount, but I know I have to add quite a bit more then my original 2 quarts. (My guess would be 2.2 to 2.3 quarts.)


I guess it possible that to much oil can cause overheating, but I highly doubt 2 tablespoons would do it, but I guess anything is possible. I just don't see how, as I mentioned, you have no control over the oil level in the motor.


I do have a couple of question for Warlockmatized. So I guess you did your normal oil change, set the level on the dip stick, let the quad sit, then removed the check bolt. How long from last startup to removing the check bolt? Where was the level on the dipstick before draining from the check bolt? Since you first drained from the check bolt, have you done the same procedure again? If so, anything come out the second time? I know when my 700XX's sit for long periods of time, the oil in the tank does drain back in the motor. So if I check the dipstick after the quad is sitting for a month or so, there is no oil on it. Actually, the entire tank itself is pretty empty, just about all of the oil drains back into the motor. Once I start it, the oil gets recirculated and redistributed, and the level is back where it should be. I would be interested in how long you let it sit before checking the bolt. My guess would be that some of the oil has drained back from the tank to the motor, and that is why oil is coming out the check bolt, and the longer it sits, the more oil will come out.


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Sorry Doug , the motor does store oil in the motor, its about 3/4" high in the casings and somewhere about the check bolt , just enough to keep the tranny lubed up. There's 2 oil pumps in the 700xx , one to pump oil around the motor and one to keep the oil level in the engine at 3/4" and pump it back to the tank .

When everything is running right the oil tanks only carrys about 0.6 litres which means 1.2 litres floating around the motor.

This is what I have found out IMO !

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It "could" have been a bad connection. It "could" have been a dirty fuel filter. EVERYTHING pointed to a lean condition except the plug. The plug was perfect. So I have no clue, All I know is this.....The issue showed up after having the machine for two years. I checked everything I could, on the verge of putting it in the shop. After re-checking oil the issue went away.

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Oh and the fuel filter was perfect too.

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Sorry Doug , the motor does store oil in the motor, its about 3/4" high in the casings and somewhere about the check bolt , just enough to keep the tranny lubed up. There's 2 oil pumps in the 700xx , one to pump oil around the motor and one to keep the oil level in the engine at 3/4" and pump it back to the tank .

When everything is running right the oil tanks only carrys about 0.6 litres which means 1.2 litres floating around the motor.

This is what I have found out IMO !

Stop giving Warlockmatized a hard time !

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Thanks for the congrats!

I think you and I are saying the same thing, just explaining it differently. I still say oil is not "stored" in the engine. Yes, the transmission/clutch is in a sump, but the level of that sump is maintained. So let's say you add 1.8 liters to the tank and fire up the engine, 1.2 is in the engine, while 0.6 stays in the tank. Now, you add 2.3 liters to the tank and run the engine. The same 1.2 is in the motor, but now there is 1.1 in the tank. My understanding is the level in the engine never changes, so oil is not "stored" in the engine.

I am not trying to give Warlockmatized a hard time, just trying to understand his temp problem. I asked the questions I asked because I was curious. I don't know it all, just trying to learn. I still would like to know where the level is on the dip stick, because when I only add the recommended 1.9 quarts after a filter change, there is no oil on the dip stick. Just like any car/truck I have ever owned, I run the oil level near the full mark on the dip stick, which means I run quite a bit more then the recommended 1.9 quarts. Both of my 700's run hotter then my 450r's, but most of the heat I feel on my right leg, it is from the header. Oil level won't change that. After I read through this thread, I thought about only adding 1.9 quarts exactly and running it, but I don't think I could, no oil on the dip stick wouldn't give me a good feeling.

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I drained oil until it was right in the middle of the stick.

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If you got ANY out of the check bolt in the clutch cover you were OVER full. The oil is supposed to be level with the bottom of the bolt hole. I'll bet money it solves your issue. After this crazy ass experience the way I do oil changes has forever changed.
I have been running hot myself. No overheat light (it is working). Got 2nd degree burns on my right calf through my jeans after a 50 mile ride. I drained about 8 ounces of oil from the crankcase check bolt (it never got level with the bottom of the hole because the hole is so small...) and followed the instructions from the manual to check the reservoir oil. Warmed it up for 5 minutes and the reservoir required...8 ounces to fill mid dipstick! This thread is confusing me!

According to the manual: 1. Check crankcase oil level at crankcase bolt. A. If oil drips out, replace bolt and proceed to reservoir oil level check. B. If oil does not drip from crankcase oil check bolt, fill reservoir to bottom of dipstick, then proceed to oil reservoir level check procedure.

??? Following the procedure it would be impossible to have the crankcase oil level even with the bottom of the crankcase oil check bolt AND have the reservoir dipstick level correct....

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I have been running hot myself. No overheat light (it is working). Got 2nd degree burns on my right calf through my jeans after a 50 mile ride. I drained about 8 ounces of oil from the crankcase check bolt (it never got level with the bottom of the hole because the hole is so small...) and followed the instructions from the manual to check the reservoir oil. Warmed it up for 5 minutes and the reservoir required...8 ounces to fill mid dipstick! This thread is confusing me!

According to the manual: 1. Check crankcase oil level at crankcase bolt. A. If oil drips out, replace bolt and proceed to reservoir oil level check. B. If oil does not drip from crankcase oil check bolt, fill reservoir to bottom of dipstick, then proceed to oil reservoir level check procedure.

??? Following the procedure it would be impossible to have the crankcase oil level even with the bottom of the crankcase oil check bolt AND have the reservoir dipstick level correct....
Just drain oil, replace oil filter & add 2 qts, done...

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