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post #1 of 13 Old 11-28-2012, 02:15 AM Thread Starter
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damper or arms?

As above, we found a great new place to ride but some of the tracks are used by SUVs and are quite worn ,deep tire grooves. I find my 700 tends to wander left then right,quite sort of twitchy.Its a bit scary in top gear!!!
My question is to those that have fitted them, is a steering damper enough to stop this or do I need to resort to new adjustable upper arms to dial in a bit more caster??
I guess I would start with a damper anyway??
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A simple answer would be: NO A steering damper is not made to stop that kind of wander... it may reduce it some, but is actually meant to stop/reduce bump steer. Neither option you mentioned will actually eliminate your wander in the conditions you mention.

That being said... I highly recommend a good steering damper... Either one from Precision or a CCP. If you decide to get one from Precision, tell George I referred you... probably won't get you a discount, but may earn me some points.

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"Twitchy" usually means too much negative caster. If you are running a stock suspension setup then this is highly unlikely. One thing I would try is measuring the toe of the front wheels. Sometimes it can be caused by tyre pattern/air pressure but as I have never tried the stock fronts, it would be just a guess. Have you done any mods ?

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Had similar probs myself for a while, until I realised that my front 22" tyres were actually only 20.5" in diameter, which in turn altered the castor angle enough to make it twitchy at speed (I had already adjusted my caster on A-arms for better turn in). Went back to original 22" fronts & all good again. I also agree with previous poster that toe out will contribute to wandering at speed as well, that's a cheap place to start. In my experience dampers are more for addressing harsh hits & bump steer. If bump steer is the problem, there is also an aftermarket steering stem available with redesigned steering (tie rod end) pivot points, that would eliminate the issue.

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Thanks for all the quick and helpfull replies.
I have since checked my toe-in and it was 6mm.I have adjusted it to 3mm.
I do have Kenda Kutters on the front,21x7x10.I actually measured them and they are more like 20 1/4 inches high.
I do have have LTR450 front shocks fitted also.
I have just fitted a CCP steering damper anyway,coz i had it.
I hope to be riding this weekend so i will see what the difference is.
The Kutters are not very old but if I have to fit taller ones,then I will.
I need to check it on a flat non groovey road too,to see if it tracks ok.
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22s work better all around in my opinion, tried both


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Thanks for all the quick and helpfull replies.
I have since checked my toe-in and it was 6mm.I have adjusted it to 3mm.
I do have Kenda Kutters on the front,21x7x10.I actually measured them and they are more like 20 1/4 inches high.
I do have have LTR450 front shocks fitted also.
I have just fitted a CCP steering damper anyway,coz i had it.
I hope to be riding this weekend so i will see what the difference is.
The Kutters are not very old but if I have to fit taller ones,then I will.
I need to check it on a flat non groovey road too,to see if it tracks ok.
thanks all,mervex.
Would be interested to read a ride report on the CCP damper & how you like it. How much did he charge for shipping ?

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All I can say is I love my CCP dampers. I have 3 of them, 1 on my 700xx and 1 each on my 400ex's. They change the feel of the steering significantly. They are fully adjustable to fit your ride style. I have to also say that James is very nice to deal with and offers all the service parts to repair the damper if needed. I had to rebuild one of the ones on my 400ex and I sent him an email and he got back to me right away. The replacement parts were very reasonably priced as well. I would not ride without one. He charged me $199.00 shipped to my door for the one on my 700XX.

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I was not able to ride on the weekend,and not for another 2 weeks so no info.
I got it of a guy here in S.E.Queensland,near new,it was for a trx450 but in 10 min it fitted my 700xx.
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We went riding last weekend after i changed the toe in from 6mm to 3mm and fitted the steering damper,set about half way.
after riding along the same tracks, i noticed that it was nowhere near as twitchy as it had been. i also checked the front ride height as i had fitted ltr450 shocks a while ago and found it was about 15-20mm lower than stock. i might change the lower shock mounts to bring it back to standard over the xmas break.Definetley much better all round with damper.
But at least its much better to ride at speed now,no so bloody scary!!
thanks to those that replied and put me in the right diection.
Good luck to Smithy (Aussie)at the Dakar rally on a TRX700XX .
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