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04-11-2009 11:45 AM
xx700xx The thing that kills me about the programmers is everyone is putting them on and trying maps. I think that is just as risky, you have no idea how the bike will respond and you could do damage in the process. I spent 3 years in a turbo performance shop(automotosports aka ams) and dyno tuning was key. If I went with a programmer I'd have to put it on a dyno, I wouldn't plug in a map and hope for the best. My friend and I both bought 08' suzuki boulevards, he did the big 3 and I just did exhaust. I'm faster than him, I think its because the map he has is terrible. I definitely think his bike will perform much better with a fine tune on a dyno.
04-11-2009 10:27 AM
smo0oth1
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Originally Posted by TRX_Sixpac_700xx View Post
Just purchased my Two Brothers exhaust on ebay today! $245 + $22 shipping. BTW Scuzz, don't worry about the vid anymore, I saw this deal and couldn't pass it up. My next purchase is a PCIII. I'm still a college student working part-time, so I don't have the funds quite yet to purchase the PCIII. Should I leave the exhaust off until I get the PCIII? I don't want the quad to run too lean or rich and be bad for it.

Call 2Bros and see what they recommend
04-11-2009 10:14 AM
smo0oth1
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Originally Posted by OzLinc View Post
I really dont care what Honda propaganda you have been reading. The most it will do is adjust for some changes in atmospheric conditions.

Dont want to sound like a prick but I think this does need to be debated as going round saying you can add a slip-on without a controller is just going to result in someone comming after your head.

Linc

Yea... ok, Bye
04-11-2009 08:43 AM
Colorado 700XX I have run slip-ons on my sport bike without a programmer and they both ran incredible for years. Both were Hondas, a CBR900RR (carb) and a CBR954RR (efi). The big debate should be: Why would you want to run an exhaust without a controller. Knowing what I know now I would have run a controller on the 954 and rejetted the 900. At the time the controller programming was a little intimidating to me. The controller is designed to compliment and compensate for the increase air flow. I have both on my 700XX and love it. I know it's hard to come up with an extra $300 for the controller (convincing my wife wasn't easy), but you won't be disappointed...except maybe with the extra fuel you'll be burning.
04-11-2009 07:27 AM
xx700xx I've added full header back exhausts to two different motorcycles, a gixxer 750 and a Boulevard M50. Both bikes ran absolutely perfect with the exhaust on them. I'm not sure how different Honda is but from what I hear you have to use a programmer once you add a after market air filter. At that point the motor can't adjust. I'm not going to buy a slip on just yet but I'd be comfortable using it without a programmer.
04-11-2009 03:55 AM
OzLinc
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Originally Posted by smo0oth1 View Post
Just trying to tell ya what I know lol. Here is a little something on Honda's PCM-FI system. It doesn't give a black & white answer but its a good read.

http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-te...pgm-fi/p6.html
I really dont care what Honda propaganda you have been reading. The most it will do is adjust for some changes in atmospheric conditions.

Dont want to sound like a prick but I think this does need to be debated as going round saying you can add a slip-on without a controller is just going to result in someone comming after your head.

Linc
04-09-2009 11:19 PM
smo0oth1 How long did you run the bike? Pics?
04-09-2009 10:59 PM
Chrisj Tried this tonight. You can't run the pipe without a controller. My buddies plug is pure white. I'm below sea level so not sure if that has anything to do with it also.
04-09-2009 05:35 AM
smo0oth1 Just trying to tell ya what I know lol. Here is a little something on Honda's PCM-FI system. It doesn't give a black & white answer but its a good read.

http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-te...pgm-fi/p6.html
04-08-2009 10:43 PM
OzLinc
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Originally Posted by smo0oth1 View Post
If you added a slip-on and filter and it began to run lean the engine would get hotter, The ecu would see the higher engine temps and add more fuel to cool it down. There is a bit more to it but thats just a basic instance of how it works
We'll just have to agree to disagree. IMO all you have pointed out is that the ECU will adjust to varing atmostpheric conditions.
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